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earthboundkid | 2 months ago

Different field, but it drives me crazy that people talk about Chinese philosophy and insist on using Mandarin pinyin for it. Mandarin is language that evolved from Classical Chinese thousands of years later! There are other, equally valid contemporary derived pronunciations like Cantonese or even Japanese and Korean. The reason to use Mandarin is because it is the most widely spoken language derived from Classical Chinese, but it's 100% not how Confucius or any of them spoke!

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SuperNinKenDo|2 months ago

It's just the standard. So it self ratifies. It is quite possibly one of the worst options though given how many important language features are lost in it.

Cantonese used to be the preferred, and probably is to some, but even that is far from ideal and was chosen because while it preserves more important distinctions, it also happens to be/have been a very prominent Chinese language, with a moderate level of standardisation. It wasn't chosen purely on its linguistuc merits over others.

I can't remember who it was but there's someone out there who uses a fusion of Cantonese and Hokkien, where they pronounce the initial from one and then the coda from the other or something, though I can't remember which way around they did it.

Really depends on your priorities I guess.

z500|2 months ago

What terminology should we be using? Old Chinese reconstructions on Wiktionary always look so wildly divergent to me.

singularity2001|2 months ago

Old Chinese reconstructions drive me crazy, or the fact that some scholars insist these are 99% correct instead of 'best guesses'

umanwizard|2 months ago

What else would they use?

Of course they could pronounce the words in any modern Chinese language, but why not pick the largest and most standardized one?

gfaure|2 months ago

For starters, a Chinese language which preserves final stops (-p, -t, -k) would be a better choice (e.g. Cantonese). These disappear completely in Mandarin, leaving rhymes (the vowel + final consonant) underspecified or ambiguous in many cases.

yongjik|2 months ago

That's like complaining at names like Jesus, Paul, Moses, or Peter (with their English pronunciation) because that's not how those biblical figures pronounced their own names.

DemocracyFTW2|2 months ago

After the present Pope had given his inaugural speech in several languages except for English, apparently someone (on Fox News?) complained, "what? no English? It was good enough for Jesus why doesn't he speak English!?"

The horrible part of this story is that it's so believable.