[arrrg]

For decades trusting the US was no problem at all. The relationship was mutually beneficial. Cooperation and trust among nations is possible and Juche (completely self-reliance) is not a worthwhile goal at all. So, sure, cooperation is great and should always be a goal – it also secures peace (people who are economically intertwined are less likely to go to war with each other).

The issue is the US burning up that earned mutual trust. And at some point you have to sadly abandon ship. Cooperation is great, trade is great, but not under all circumstances and all the time.

[BSDobelix]

Have you already forgot the Merkel Phone incident?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-spy-agency-tapped-g...

Trusting the US should be considered a problem since decades.

[HolyLampshade]

This is not uncommon between even allies: https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-spied-on-white-hou...

The issue has less to do with intelligence silliness, and more to do with the fact that the overall geopolitical objectives of the US can not be trusted, and that rift has grown to a point where self-reliance on critical infrastructure may be in Europe’s best interest.

[bayindirh]

That's a small blip on the timeline. If you want some serious, long running stuff, you should read Crypto AG scandal.

[arrrg]

See, this is a clear example why hypercynicism (everything has always been maximally evil all the time already) is not at all helpful. You lose your ability to differentiate in your cynical zeal to cast everyone as maximally (undifferentiably) evil all the time.

[Angostura]

Do you need a hug?