[smugma]

Failed pretty badly but no reported injuries or even accidents so not that badly.

And if you’re Waymo, it’s a short-term reputation hit but great experience to learn from and improve.

[smrtinsert]

Triggering some sort of extreme safety mode is considered failing now?

[zamadatix]

Anything other than "normalish" tends to be a failure in driving. I.e. stopping and throwing your hazards on when you're in the intersection isn't success just because there were even worse options to have picked. It's nice they were able to pull the fleet back and get the cars out of the roads during the problem though.

[KalMann]

I think this was a failure. The gold standard should be that the if every human driver was replaced with an AI how well could the system function. This makes it look like things would be catastrophic. Thus, showing how humans continue to be much more versatile and capable than AI.

I suppose if you lower the standards for what you hope AI can accomplish it wouldn't be considered a failure.

[kedean]

I'd say yes. The goal of a self-driving car is to emulate humans. If the car is panicking and reverting to "extreme safety mode" in situations where a normal human is going to be fine, then that's a failure.

[potato3732842]

>Failed pretty badly but no reported injuries or even accidents so not that badly.

Just because no integer lives were wasted doesn't mean we can't sum the man hours and get a number greater than 1

[grayhatter]

Using that math it would be better if they were faster even if they killed somebody.

That's a repulsive argument... Just because some argument is logically sound doesn't mean it's rational or reasonable.

Also, when attempting that math, make sure you account for the buffer that everyone already builds into their life. No sense in double counting the extra 10m I'm angry in traffic, instead of angry sitting at home because I'm doom scrolling some media feed with that extra 10m I saved because the robotaxi was faster.

[shawn_w]

/Programmers/ can.

[johnnyanmac]

>to learn from and improve.

Okay, let's see if they actually do it this time.

[pinkmuffinere]

Waymo has been quite good about responsibly learning and improving imo. I do hope and think they’ll learn from this.