[linuxhansl]

What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on ship emissions.

Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

[throw0101d]

> Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

If you're talking about coal miners, David Frum joked / observed that there are more yoga instructors in the US than coal miners:

* https://www.sfgate.com/columnists/article/Yoga-teachers-vs-c...

[MengerSponge]

And that was in 2017! The population of working coal miners shrank by 20% in the last decade, from 50k to 40k

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CEU1021210001#0

[canyp]

That headline really deserves a literary prize.

Yoga instructors, assemble!

[array_key_first]

Also coal mining is a shitty ass job. Those people would be much better served working in green energy.

[JohnTHaller]

We've been in the realm of intentionally doing damage for a while now. But we got these cool red hats.

[andrewflnr]

Intentionally doing damage started with DOGE. So, roughly day 1.

[bakies]

you forgot this is part 2

[pheggs]

there are at least two reasons trump is pushing for oil:

1) the US has lots of oil reserves, which would lose lots of value if everybody was using renewables 2) oil is the main driver for dollar demand, as oil is paid in dollar, allowing the US to have lots of debt relatively cheaply

That's also the reason why he wants to tell Europe to stop using renewables, and that's the reason why he is threatening Venezuela - because they have the biggest oil reserve and started selling it in different currencies.

Now whether that whole genius strategy to gain wealth through geopolitics is worth an extinction event is a different story.

[Jtsummers]

> That's also the reason why he wants to tell Europe to stop using renewables, and that's the reason why he is threatening Venezuela - because they have the biggest oil reserve and started selling them not in USD.

What's interesting is that the strategy you suggest (tell Europe to stop using renewables, attack nations that compete with US oil sales) only motivates other nations to move away from oil. It's a terrible strategy if the intent is to sell more US oil. Renewables are far more sustainable in many regards, and bolster national energy security while remaining on fossil fuels leaves them weak wrt energy security.

[aqme28]

There is a third important reason--

For some reason, oil has masculine aesthetics but wind power doesn't. I don't think this is a calculated play

[unmole]

> oil is the main driver for dollar demand, as oil is paid in dollar

This stupid meme needs to die.

[tagawa]

Maybe a third reason:

“Last week, Trump Media, the parent company of Truth Social that is majority-owned by the president, said it was getting into the energy business, announcing a merger with a fusion firm TAE Technologies.”

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd74lyr094vo

[huntertwo]

The intention is to make specific individuals a lot of money. It has been since day 1.

[dylan604]

Do you mean the first day 1 or the second day 1?

[iwontberude]

Reminiscent of how most water which used to melt into the Great Salt Lake is now being used to farm Alfalfa, which only makes up 1% of their GDP and far fewer jobs than other industries. Of course if this continues for another generation, toxic arsenic dust will pollute and force the failure of Salt Lake City and surrounding regions. Luckily this will cause the agricultural industry to fail (after killing many people) and nature will heal itself.

[dboreham]

> we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage

That occurred a long time ago with the destruction of USAID and arbitrary firing of large numbers of federal workers.

[ugh123]

>while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

No, not for jobs. Profits, stock bumps, and bonuses for the execs at oil companies and friends of the admin.

[Moldoteck]

china runs with everything. They are still expanding coal units for firming and they'll build a ton of new gas units too. But to ban deployment of wind turbines without any explanation is ... expected from current administration...

[hopelite]

Being blind with bias is also expected. I don't like what is going on either, but please consider that if it was only about "damaging" as others have implied, it would not just be off shore wind turbines. I can assure you there are other reasons.

[vkou]

> What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage.

He's been doing that since January.

[simonsarris]

I hope you realize that China's coal and oil use for electricity is at an all-time high and increasing. They have installed more coal capacity since 2020 than the US has total. US coal usage peaked circa 2000 and has decreased for the last 2 decades.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...

[triceratops]

> They have installed more coal capacity since 2020 than the US has total

80% or more of new electricity generation in China is renewable. They build coal capacity but they don't use more of it.

This year their absolute carbon emissions decreased.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292

[stephen_g]

New coal data is out just a few days ago [1], it's plateaued globally and expected to start to decline.

China's consumption this year was about the same as last, and looking to drop a bit, so likely old coal plants were being retired at about the same rate as newer ones were built, and that will start to go the other way (more retired than built).

1. https://www.iea.org/news/global-coal-demand-has-reached-a-pl...

[timeon]

Article is about US blocking energy from wind. You are (correctly) saying that China is increasing energy from coal and oil.

What is your point? Can you elaborate how this is relevant?

[wnevets]

> What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage.

That began almost the moment this administration came into power.

[nerevarthelame]

>It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage.

"The Trump administration’s decision to shut down the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from infectious diseases and malnutrition, according to Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Atul Gawande ... The dismantling of USAID, according to models from Boston University epidemiologist Brooke Nichols, “has already caused the deaths of six hundred thousand people, two-thirds of them children,” Gawande wrote. He noted that the toll will continue to grow and may go unseen because it can take months or years for people to die from lack of treatments or vaccine-preventable illnesses—and because deaths are scattered." [https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...]

[ekjhgkejhgk]

What? They've been intentionally doing damage for a long time. Pardoning criminals is one that comes to mind.

[dfxm12]

Pardoning criminals is one that comes to mind.

Seriously, the pardons alone make this the most pro-crime administration in my lifetime. Probably ever.

[bakies]

not to deny the allegations but every president has had their arm twisted by Israel and sell out to oil.

[heavyset_go]

Now do per capita emissions and consider where 90% of anything you buy is manufactured. The world launders its manufacturing emissions through China.

[clayhacks]

America is still the largest historical polluter by a mile and China has already hit peak emissions. They are doing much better than America on this front. At this rate they’ll hit net zero before we will

[fpoling]

China population is 4 times of US.

[triceratops]

> Any investment by China is clearly because they found a way to profit from it

An investment that doesn't make a profit is kinda pointless. Business 101.

> Your neighbor thinks he's saving the world filling his roof with cheap Chinese solar panels

And he's right. God bless him for having more sense than you.

> ignoring the toxic chemicals and human cost that went into manufacturing it

Yeah no toxic chemicals or human cost whatsoever went into digging up your coal and gasoline.

Tell us honestly: why do you gain by lying?

[epistasis]

If somebody does pollution for a while how in the world would that make them ineligible from being the leader in the future technologies that stop the pollution?

I am not following your logic or point here. The US has been the leading polluter, would that somehow stop us from saving the world from pollute if we came up with the technology for the rest of the world to stop polluting? Of course not. It's a very strange whataboutism that you are purveying that gets repeated frequently in online forums, but doesn't stand up to a little bit of back-and-forth.

[SeanAnderson]

per capita? or?

[unethical_ban]

Pollutant-wise, are you insinuating that solar and wind and battery manufacturing is more polluting overall than the extraction and burning of fossil fuels they replace?

[pengaru]

> China is by far the world's biggest polluter, by a factor of 2-3x that of the US so let's not paint them as some beacon of environmental stewardship.

China's leading the planet in development and deployment of renewable energy tech.

What proportion of China's emissions are a consequence of The West's externalizing the manufacturing of what it consumes?

At least with China in the driver's seat it looks like the planet's manufacturing needs will actually get cleaned up. Meanwhile the US will keep pearl clutching as it fades into irrelevance and Zimbabwean hyperinflation.