5 miles for groceries is ridiculous statement, you will not get any support with such stance. It's like 1h 30m walk one way. Day doesn't have infinite time, and people with families will need significant amount of food.
Very few people want to walk 5 miles for groceries. I'm lucky enough to be able to walk to my grocery store, and even being healthy and able, 1 mile each way is the most I want to do.
5 miles is a long walk. That’s at least 1 hour and 15 minutes for a very fast walker, and probably around 2 hours for a more typical walker.
Plus you have to walk back, with groceries. Assuming you are feeding a family and not doing this 2-4 hour round trip every day, that means you’ll need a cart to push or pull.
Good luck pushing that loaded cart on a road with any amount of traffic. Most places in the U.S. where the grocery store is 5 miles away will involve either zero sidewalks and dangerous roads (more rural/suburban areas), or many many road crossings with lights that slow you down (denser areas).
I’m a big fan of walking. But 5 miles to a grocery store and then back is going to be way too much and too dangerous for most people.
An EV is still 2 tons of metal, plastics, batteries, that needed to be mined, refined, transformed, assembled, and delivered. Sounds excessive for getting groceries.
The solution, as usual for complex systems, involves more than one factor, almost no one living in an urban environment should need to go 5 miles to find groceries. Even on my suburb of Stockholm I have the option of 3 different groceries less than 1km away (we have villas, terraced houses, etc., so not only small apartments that some Americans are afraid of).
Urban design is a core principle to make your life easier, no self-driving EVs, those are a bad patch not solving anything of importance.
whatevaa|2 months ago
i80and|2 months ago
Bicycling would make 5 miles a cinch, however.
calmbonsai|2 months ago
D13Fd|2 months ago
Plus you have to walk back, with groceries. Assuming you are feeding a family and not doing this 2-4 hour round trip every day, that means you’ll need a cart to push or pull.
Good luck pushing that loaded cart on a road with any amount of traffic. Most places in the U.S. where the grocery store is 5 miles away will involve either zero sidewalks and dangerous roads (more rural/suburban areas), or many many road crossings with lights that slow you down (denser areas).
I’m a big fan of walking. But 5 miles to a grocery store and then back is going to be way too much and too dangerous for most people.
e-dant|2 months ago
dzhiurgis|2 months ago
piva00|2 months ago
The solution, as usual for complex systems, involves more than one factor, almost no one living in an urban environment should need to go 5 miles to find groceries. Even on my suburb of Stockholm I have the option of 3 different groceries less than 1km away (we have villas, terraced houses, etc., so not only small apartments that some Americans are afraid of).
Urban design is a core principle to make your life easier, no self-driving EVs, those are a bad patch not solving anything of importance.