top | item 46389808

(no title)

nromiun | 2 months ago

Funny how so many people in this comment section are saying Rob Pike is just feeling insecure about AI. Rob Pike created UTF-8, Go, Plan-9 etc. On the other hand I am trying hard to remember anything famous created by any LLM. Any famous tech product at all.

It is always the eternal tomorrow with AI.

discuss

order

llmslave2|2 months ago

Remember, gen AI produces so much value that companies like Microsoft are scaling back their expectations and struggling to find a valid use case for their AI products. In fact Gen AI is so useful people are complaining about all of the ways it's pushed upon them. After all, if something is truly useful nobody will use it unless the software they use imposes it upon them everywhere. Also look how it's affecting the economy - the same few companies keep trading the same few hundred billion around and you know that's an excellent marker for value.

jb1991|2 months ago

Unfortunately, it’s also apparently so useful that numerous companies here in Europe are replacing entire departments of people like copywriters and other tasks with one person and an AI system.

avaer|2 months ago

> On the other hand I am trying hard to remember anything famous created by any LLM.

That's because the credit is taken by the person running the AI, and every problem is blamed on the AI. LLMs don't have rights.

Antibabelic|2 months ago

Do you have any evidence that an LLM created something massive, but the person using it received all the praise?

goatlover|2 months ago

So who has used LLMs to create anything as impressive as Rob Pike?

eriri|2 months ago

You wish. AI has no shortage of people like you trying so hard to give it credit for anything. I mean, just ask yourself. You had to try so hard that you, in your other comment, ended up hallucinating achievements of a degree that Rob Pike can only dream of but yet so vague that you can't describe them in any detail whatsoever.

> But I think in the aggregate ChatGPT has solved more problems, and created more things, than Rob Pike did

Other people see that kind of statement for what it is and don't buy any of it.

johnnyanmac|2 months ago

He's also in his late 60's. And he's probably done career's worth of work every other year. I very much would not blame him for checking out and enjoying his retirement. Hope to have even 1% of that energy when/if I get to that age

dinfinity|2 months ago

> It is always the eternal tomorrow with AI.

ChatGPT is only 3 years old. Having LLMs create grand novel things and synthesize knowledge autonomously is still very rare.

I would argue that 2025 has been the year in which the entire world has been starting to make that happen. Many devs now have workflows where small novel things are created by LLMs. Google, OpenAI and the other large AI shops have been working on LLM-based AI researchers that synthesize knowledge this year.

Your phrasing seems overly pessimistic and premature.

theLastOfCats|2 months ago

UncleMeat|2 months ago

Argument from authority is a formal fallacy. But humans rarely use pure deductive reasoning in our lives. When I go to a doctor and ask for their advice with a medical issue, nobody says "ugh look at this argument from authority, you should demand that the doctor show you the reasoning from first principles."

znpy|2 months ago

If you think about economic value, you’re comparing a few large-impact projects (and the impact of plan9 is debatable) versus a multitude of useful but low impact projects (edit: low impact because their scope is often local to some company).

I did code a few internal tools with aid by llms and they are delivering business value. If you account for all the instances of these kind of applications of llms, the value create by AI is at least comparable (if not greater) by the value created by Rob Pike.

llmslave2|2 months ago

One difference is that Rob Pike did it without all the negative externalities of gen ai.

But more broadly this is like a version of the negligibility problem. If you provide every company 1 second of additional productivity, while summation of that would appear to be significant, it would actually make no economic difference. I'm not entirely convinced that many low impact (and often flawed) projects realistically provide business value at scale an can even be compared to a single high impact project.

wolvesechoes|2 months ago

> If you think about economic value

I don't, and the fact you do hints to what's wrong with the world.

Yeask|2 months ago

All those amazing tools are internal and nobody can check them out. How convenient.

And guys don't forget that nobody created one off internal tools before GPT.

mmcnl|2 months ago

You're absolutely right!

Redoubts|2 months ago

> I am trying hard to remember anything famous created by any LLM.

not sure how you missed Microsoft introducing a loading screen when right-clicking on the desktop...

apexalpha|2 months ago

>On the other hand I am trying hard to remember anything famous created by any LLM.

ChatGPT?

beAbU|2 months ago

ChatGPT was created by people...