[pinkgolem]

I see this comment every year, and I am confused every time.

There was no point in time where ccc or c3 was not an political event/organisation.

[frankzander]

this wasn't the point ... the point is that the whole thing is getting more and more political and less technical and fun. I was at the camp and some congresses in the past and they where always fun but nowadays it seems like it's like a political movement event for certain strands and ideologies and way less fun and interesting things (thou there are gems) and it seems that you have to think a certain way or at least accept certain positions even if it's not your position because otherwise you are silly or something else.

[jasonvorhe]

IMHO, CCC is completely defanged as a political institution. They went along with contact tracing because the local app was open source and somewhat secure and many of the regulars in local spaces people will cause lots of drama if you don't wear a mask in 2025.

Most local hackerspaces I visited are basically green and leftist queer safe spaces where adults run around with stuffed animals. If that's what you're looking for, great, I'm not judging, it just doesn't click with me. I used to visit hackerpaces during my travels but regardless of how open and kind I approach a new place, once they ask me to mask up or inquire for my pronouns things just don't end well, even if I'm really polite in explaining my position. That's not the tolerance and open mindedness I encountered around 2009 during my first C3.

Still, I wish everyone attending the best of times. There's so many people there that I imagine you'll be able to find the right folks if you're there and look around.

Not looking for a debate or inciting hate towards anyone here.

[pinkgolem]

You might align less with the points brought forward, but the amount of politics has not changed much in my perception.

[izacus]

I've been there like 2 decades ago and even then it was a deeply political event.

There never a time where German hacker clubs, which are the lifeblood of this event, weren't very political - and very explicitly left wing political.

[bildung]

Or perhaps you changed over the years?

[slurrpurr]

The comment is about how political it is, and that it's getting too much. For example this talk: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

Every year the needle gets moved more

[raverbashing]

I was trying to understand what this is about, and this seems to have more context https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-th...

But yeah to me it seems these "antifaschistisch orgs" acting like thugs and then thinking they're immune to prosecution because they're antifaschistisch (according to themselves) of course

[pinkgolem]

Such talks have been part of ccc for decades?

I am getting more and more confused

[izacus]

I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.

[frankzander]

That example is a really good one I also stumbled upon. Feels like a Indymedia meeting.