[kavouras]

I don't like the idea of moving from google's ecosystem to proton. While they're better, ecosystems tend to get locked down or change for the worse.I'm not planning to repeat the google cycle. I got my own domain for email, bitwarden for passwords, firefox forks for browsing, and many other stuff to get off google. Also I realised that stuff like contacts, notes, calendar don't really need to be on the cloud, but I'm planning to self host some services like that, mostly for the nerd in me.

[whazor]

We should all have e-mail backups regardless of which service we are on. Even Google shuts down accounts randomly. Owning your domain and having e-mail backups makes it easy to switch e-mail services.

[debian3]

True, just happened to one of my friend. 10 years old gmail account got suspended because he supposedly sent phishing emails. Which is completely false (he didn’t even understood what pishing was, he had google authenticator for totp). Ofcourse the appeal process was useless as no one reply to those. It’s been 2 months now. Own your domain.

[miki123211]

Owning your domain just changes your point of failure from Google to your registrar. It is not, in fact, any safer.

It's not like registrars haven't randomly shut down people's domains due to accidental (or malicious) abuse reports.

[omnimus]

Well WebDav/CalDav/CardDav works quite OK. Baïkal is trivial to selfhost (cal+card) then you just pick some webdav implementation like KaraDav/PicoDav/FlyDav and you are good.

Email is really the one that requires lot of caring about so not easy to self host.

[cromka]

IMHO the problem starts when you need to share your calendar with the outside, then you need to expose that service to the Internet and, to me, it's a whole different level of complexity making sure it remains safe.

[kavouras]

Yes I'm aware, what I'm saying is, in the time between setting up my home server again, I've realised it's not even that useful. I used to think that having my todo and calendar locally on my phone was unusable.

[throw-12-16]

You can self host email in an afternoon, its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

[Akronymus]

With proton, at least, you can just use your own domain and if they ever get bad, you just point the MX record to some other service, or self host, and pretty much have it taken care of.

[allan_s]

I also agree on "for personal things we don't need SaaS" and I would say do we even needs self hosted in the sense of a central server.

By that I mean, could we have like for firefox , heavy clients but with client to client sync. The goal is to not need to have a always online machine while still solving the "i prefer if my emails are copied both on my laptop and my phones" . Especially as nearly all my devices are often if not always on the same LAN

[crapple8430]

Firefox sync clearly requires a central server. For any kind of peer to peer syncing to work you must have the machines on at the same time and accessible. And then there is the issue of NATs, including CGNATs. To work reliably these almost always have to have some kind of relays anyway (Tailscale's DERP, Syncthing also has relays).

For the experience an average consumer expects, you at a minimum need a central short-lived cache.

[lightandlight]

This year I moved off LastPass, and started using [Syncthing](https://syncthing.net/) to sync my [KeepassXC](https://keepassxc.org/). It works pretty well, but doesn't have any automatic conflict resolution (I've been working on [something](https://github.com/LightAndLight/syncthing-merge) for this).

Next up I'm moving my TODOs off Todoist to something local-first, and plugging that into my Syncthing setup.

[Imustaskforhelp]

Perhaps you might like syncthing?

[debois]

I agree that Google (and in the above comment MS) failed to fulfill their lofty promises (“don’t be evil” etc.)

But the blame is on us: we should have known better than to entrust our data to free services run by a company whose entire revenue comes from ads.

Proton is funded by our subscription payments. I think there’s reasonable hope that their incentives will remained aligned with those of their paying users.

[theshrike79]

Google has very good PR, people still can't grasp that they're an ad company that dabbles in hardware and services.

[godelski]

  > I got my own domain for email

Doesn't this make migrating easier? Since you are just changing where it directs to?

Edit: s/mining/migrating

[viraptor]

Mining?

[bcye]

It's a non profit so I think the risk of change for the worse is little.