[hatefulmoron]

I got their z.ai plan to test alongside my Claude subscription; it feels about on par with something between sonnet 4.0 and sonnet 4.5. It's definitely a few steps below current day Claude, but it's very capable.

[enraged_camel]

When you say "current day Claude" you need to distinguish between the models. Because Opus 4.5 is significantly ahead of Sonnet 4.5.

[hatefulmoron]

Yeah, when I say "current day Claude" I'm referring to Opus 4.5, which is what I always use on the max plan.

[kachapopopow]

opus 4.5 is truly like magic, completely different type of intellience - not sure.

[jijji]

z.ai (Zhipu AI) is a chinese run entity, so presumably China's National Intelligence Law put in place in 2018, which requires data exfiltration back to the government, would apply to the use of this. I wouldn't feel comfortable using any service that has that fundamental requirement.

[deaux]

Google, OpenAI, Anthropic and Y Combinator are US run entities, so presumably the CLOUD Act and FISA require data exfiltration back to the government when asked, on top of the all the "Room 641A"s where the NSA directly taps into the ISP interconnects, would apply to the use of them. I wouldn't feel comfortable using any service that has that fundamental requirement.

[hatefulmoron]

I wouldn't use any provider: z.ai, Claude, OpenAI, ... if I was concerned about the government obtaining my prompts. If you're doing something where this is a legitimate concern (as opposed to my open source stuff), you should get a local LLM or put a lot of effort into anonymizing yourself and your prompts.

[queenkjuul]

If the Chinese government has the data at least the US government can't grab it and use it in court.

Not living in China I'm not too concerned about the Chinese government