[mourner]

Soviet stockpiles nearly depleted, 1.5 million dead or wounded, Black Sea fleet practically destroyed, third of strategic bomber fleet destroyed, economy in downfall, no major cities captured in 4 years of all out war, gas and oil revenues plummeting, and there are STILL people saying “oh they just didn’t even start for real yet, just you wait”, gosh. Just laughable.

[MomsAVoxell]

Russian war industry operating at levels it hasn’t in decades, 1.5 million dead or wounded == unverified and thus irrelevant as propaganda until it actually is verified, Sebastopol nuclear base still in Russian control with direct land corridors well and truly established, capture of cities not on the agenda for the special military operation (that’s your standard, not theirs), gas and oil revenues not plummenting (also unverified propaganda), and those of us who are aware of Russian military doctrine know all too well that the Russians escalate in ways that the US don’t (old Soviet stock goes first, new Russian stock saved for real war), so your standards may need to be adjusted if you want to understand this situation better.

[toast0]

> that the Russians escalate in ways that the US don’t (old Soviet stock goes first, new Russian stock saved for real war)

Isn't this mostly the same for the west? In the first year or so, everyone sent Ukraine their old stock. Clear the warehouses and increase production of current equipment. As the war continued, newer equipment was made available; cynically, this is where the sales demos happen for arms dealing to other states.

[mourner]

Russian war industry just burns reserves for nothing — hundreds of billions spent on missiles and long range drones didn't achieve any strategic objectives, all those expensive modern tanks, armored vehicles and artillery systems gets demolished by $500 drones, russian soldiers mass switching from military vehicles to donkeys, horses, bikes & buggies. Russia is no longer able to defend their vast territory against Ukrainian long range attacks so their oil refineries and military factories explode every day. 150k+ verified deaths (with names) already vastly exceed any russian wars since WW2 and we know there are many times more unverified ones.

Sevastopol nuclear base is irrelevant to modern warfare, and the fleet (both ships and subs) is either on the bottom of the sea (like the flagship Moskva) or gone to hiding in Novorossiysk because they can't defend against cheap Ukrainian naval drones.

Capture of cities not on the agenda — of course every time they fail spectacularly at something they'll claim they didn't plan it anyway, lol. They attempted and failed the capture of Kyiv, Kharkiv, Chernihiv, Sumy & Mykolaiv, then had to flee from Kherson & much of the Kharkiv oblast, and they are no longer strategically able to attempt capturing any more — only slow creep over obliterated rubble of small towns by sacrificing a thousand people a day in meat grinders.

I can't believe you can be so delusional, it's just amazing what russian propaganda does to people.

[wiseowise]

I mean, technically op might be right. Imagine gambler trying to win jackpot, but being down so much they have to sell their house.