For me wayland offers only downsides, without any upsides. I feel the general idea behind it (pushing all complexity and work onto other layers) is broken.
I'll stick to xorg and openbox for many years to come.
Moving complexity from the layer you only have one of, to the layers where there are many, many competing pieces of software, was an absolutely bonkers decision.
It's hard to imagine a statement that could fly more in the face of open source.
It's absolutely an essential characteristic for long term survival, for long term excellence. To not be married to one specific implementation forever.
Especially in open source! What is that organizational model for this Authoritarian path, how are you going to - as Wayland successfully has - get every display server person onboard? Who would had the say on what goes into The Wayland Server? What would the rules be?
Wayland is the only thing that makes any sense at all. A group of peers, fellow implementers, each striving for better, who come together to define protocols. This is what made the internet amazing what made the web the most successful media platform, is what creates the possibility for ongoing excellence. Not being bound to fixed decisions is an option most smart companies lust but somehow when Wayland vs X comes up, everyone super wants there to be one and only one path, set forth three decades ago that no one can ever really overhaul or redo.
It's so unclear to me how people can be so negative and so short and so mean on Wayland. There's no viable alternative organization model for Authoritarian display servers. And if somehow you did get people signed up, this fantasy, there's such a load of pretense that it would have cured all ills? I don't get it.
I think then big part is maintenance, xorg doesn't look likely to be maintained long into the future in the way Wayland will be. And a lot of the Xorg maintainers are now working in Wayland.
So good or bad idea, Wayland is slowly shifting to being the default in virtue of being the most maintained up to date compositor.
Wayland is not a compositor. Being more maintaned than Xorg doesn't mean anything because wayland doesn't do a tenth of the things Xorg did.
What used to be maintained in one codebase by Xorg devs is now duplicated in at least three major compositors, each with their own portal implementation and who knows what else. And those are primarily maintaned by desktop environment devs who also have the whole rest of the DE to worry about.
terribleperson|1 month ago
There's just no way to make that make sense.
jauntywundrkind|1 month ago
It's absolutely an essential characteristic for long term survival, for long term excellence. To not be married to one specific implementation forever.
Especially in open source! What is that organizational model for this Authoritarian path, how are you going to - as Wayland successfully has - get every display server person onboard? Who would had the say on what goes into The Wayland Server? What would the rules be?
Wayland is the only thing that makes any sense at all. A group of peers, fellow implementers, each striving for better, who come together to define protocols. This is what made the internet amazing what made the web the most successful media platform, is what creates the possibility for ongoing excellence. Not being bound to fixed decisions is an option most smart companies lust but somehow when Wayland vs X comes up, everyone super wants there to be one and only one path, set forth three decades ago that no one can ever really overhaul or redo.
It's so unclear to me how people can be so negative and so short and so mean on Wayland. There's no viable alternative organization model for Authoritarian display servers. And if somehow you did get people signed up, this fantasy, there's such a load of pretense that it would have cured all ills? I don't get it.
benrutter|1 month ago
So good or bad idea, Wayland is slowly shifting to being the default in virtue of being the most maintained up to date compositor.
franga2000|1 month ago
What used to be maintained in one codebase by Xorg devs is now duplicated in at least three major compositors, each with their own portal implementation and who knows what else. And those are primarily maintaned by desktop environment devs who also have the whole rest of the DE to worry about.
safety1st|1 month ago