[ur-whale]

I must say:

1) Hugely enjoyable content - as usual - by Michael Stapelberg: relevant, detailed, organized, well written.

2) I am also an X11 + i3 user (and huge thanks to Michael for writing i3, I'm soooo fast with it), I also keep trying wayland on a regular basis because I don't want to get stuck using deprecated software.

I am very, very happy to read this article, if only because it proves I'm not the only one and probably not crazy.

Same experience he has: everytime I try wayland ... unending succession of weird glitches and things that plain old don't work.

Verdict: UNUSABLE.

I am going to re-iterate something I've said on HN many times: the fact that X11 has designs flaws is a well understood and acknowledged fact.

So is the fact that a new solution is needed.

BUT, because Wayland is calling themselves the new shite supposed to be that solution DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN they actually managed to solve the problem.

As a matter of fact, in my book, after so many years, they completely and utterly failed, and they should rethink the whole thing from scratch.

And certainly not claim they're the replacement until they have reached feature and ease of use parity.

Which they haven't as Michael's article clearly points out.

[tuna74]

You are totally free to work on whatever you want to. You don't have to use the software that the Wayland devs (and other developers that like Wayland) produces. You can use and code whatever you want.

[antisol]

Oh good! This is great news!

So you've managed to get redhat to commit to continue to package an X server, then? I'm impressed by this achievement and send my thanks for your efforts - they've been trying to drop it for a while now, it's only wayland's continuing status as unusable vapourware that stops them.

[braincat31415]

What a constructive comment. Are you a Wayland developer by any chance?