[Induane]

Scott Adams didn't move from a ghetto, he moved to get away from black people. The presence of black people does not a ghetto make.

There are though absolutely places with a large black population which have serious crime issues, but you see similar crime rates in impoverished areas that are predominantly white. Calling it a problem in black America makes it seem like a black problem when that is correlative rather than causitive. Poverty is the core.

Historical inertia, past (though fairly recent) laws, etc... are part of a complex story of which the result is poverty among a specific demographic (though not limited to that demographic of course - the extractive mining towns in Appalachian areas created parallel stories of systemic poverty in predominantly white regions).

It takes a long time for societal wounds to heal.

[caminante]

You're switching topics.

The prompt was whether blacks leaving black neighborhoods would be labeled racist. The assumption is that although it is categorical racism, nobody would call the act racist.

As for crime, it's such a messy topic, though, recheck. I can easily find a lot of studies showing black communities having higher gun homicides, etc. after controlling for wealth (which you disagree with).

[Induane]

On the topic of crime,no, I don't necessarily disagree there. I'm sure your statistical data is correct.

The way societal traumas manifest is tied to the types of trauma each demographic experienced and experiences (including their own self-perceptions of the ways in which they have been victimizes).

Poverty is often a stressor that squeezes out behavior we tend to identify as criminal, but it just a common factor in exposing the wounds.

Depending on the group in poverty, it may manifest as gun violence, physical violence without guns, domestic violence, theft, stimulant abuse, opiate abuse, and a myriad of other things.

i.e. if your cultural wound is to feel powerless, a gun may make you feel powerful; in charge.

If the wound is anxiety, you might choose to numb out.

Controlling for wealth only gets you so far because it is a single dimension.

[Induane]

(making two replies to separate topics) ... So as for switching topics... maybe? I meant that the comparison of black people moving from a ghetto isn't a good comparison just because they're literally moving away from a black community. They're not moving away from blackness, they're escaping a physical location tied to all kinds of negative risks.

I think I would call the act racist because what makes it racist is tied to intent. But one could argue otherwise I suppose. That's just my take.