[mynameisvlad]

More than one thing can be at fault here. It's not like it's an either or situation.

There's very little story in "testosterone-fueled man does testosterone-fueled things", though. People generally know the side effects of it.

[dathinab]

testosterone doesn't make you suicidal

it hinders you long term decision making and in turn makes it more likely to do risky decisions which could end bad for you (because you are slightly less risk adverse)

but that is _very_ different to doing decisions with the intend to kill yourself

you always need an different source for this, which here seem to have been ChatGPT

also how do you think he ended up thinking he needs to take that levels of testosterone, or testosterone at all. Common source of that are absurdly body ideals, often propagated by doctored pictures. Or the kind of non-realistic pictures ChatGPT tends to produce for certain topics.

and we also know that people with mental health issues have gone basically psychotic due to AI chats without taking any additional drugs...

but overall this is irrelevant

what is relevant is that they are hiding evidence which makes them look bad in a (self) murder case, likely with the intend to avoid any form of legal liability/investigation

that tells a lot about a company, or about how likely the company thinks they might be found at least partially liable

if that really where a nothing burger they had nothing to risk, and could even profit from such a law suite by setting precedence in their favor

[mynameisvlad]

Who, exactly, are you trying to argue against? Because nowhere in my comment did I absolve OpenAI of anything; I explicitly said multiple things can be a factor.

And, no, I don’t buy for a second the mental gymnastics you went to to pretend testosterone wasn’t a huge factor in this.

[solumunus]

People are generally misguided about the side effects more like. High testosterone levels driving people to extreme violence or suicide is a complete absurdity to anyone with a modicum of experience.

[mynameisvlad]

The side effects of long term testosterone use have been studied and include depression, self-harm and suicide.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35437187/

So, no, not really absurd at all.

[NewsaHackO]

That's ironic, as most evidence-based medicine says the completely opposite. There is a clear connection between violence and exogenous testosterone use.

[datameta]

We're not trying to characterize typical use, but rather pathological levels of supplemental hormone