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wcfrobert | 1 month ago

I don't see how AI can bring about 10%+ annual economic growth, let alone infinite abundance, without somehow crossing the bit-to-atom interface. Without a breakthrough in general-purpose robotics - which feels decades away - agents will just be confined to optimizing B2B SaaS. Human utility is rooted in the physical environment. I find digital abundance incredibly uninspiring.

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svara|1 month ago

I'm mostly a fan of AI coding tools, but I think you're basically right about this.

I think we'll see more specialized models for narrow tasks (think AlphaFold for other challenges in drug discovery, for example) as well, but those will feel like individual, costly, high impact discoveries rather than just generic "AI".

Our world is human-shaped and ultimately people who talk of "AGI" secretly mean an artificial human.

I believe that "intelligence", the way the word is actually used by people, really just means "skillful information processing in pursuit of individual human desires".

As such, it will never be "solved" in any other way than to build an artificial human.

Applejinx|1 month ago

No, when you bring in the genetic algorithm (something LLM AI can be adjacent to by the scale of information it deals in) you can go beyond human intelligence. I work with GA coding tools pretty regularly. Instead of prompting it becomes all about devising ingenious fitness functions, while not having to care if they're contradictory.

If superhuman intelligence is solved it'll be in the form of building a more healthy society (or, if you like, a society that can outcompete other societies). We've already seen this sort of thing by accident and we're currently seeing extensive efforts to attack and undermine societies through exploiting human intelligence.

To a genetic algorithm techie that is actually one way to spur the algorithm to making better societies, not worse ones: challenge it harder. I guess we'll see if that translates to life out here in the wild, because the challenge is real.

tim333|1 month ago

Robots are coming along. While they may not be human level for a while they are close to being useful for general production.