[foster_nyman]

Given sufficient historical context, this should not be surprising; Paul Graham's influence on Hacker News is foundational, as he created the platform to foster an intellectual community, personally shaping its culture, design, and moderation policies.

For me, at least, this is one of his most important essays and worth re-visiting from time to time - https://paulgraham.com/identity.html

"I think what religion and politics have in common is that they become part of people's identity, and people can never have a fruitful argument about something that's part of their identity. By definition they're partisan."

[amanaplanacanal]

Academics absolutely do have fruitful arguments about religion and politics. Pretending that there is nothing to learn is just anti-intellectualism.

[foster_nyman]

You’re right, and I agree wholeheartedly: academics absolutely do have fruitful arguments about religion and politics.

I read Graham’s point as narrower than “there’s nothing to learn.” He explicitly says: “There are certainly some political questions that have definite answers.”

The warning label is about identity capture. Once a view becomes part of who you are, the odds of real updating drop: “people can never have a fruitful argument about something that’s part of their identity.” Or, put positively: “you can have a fruitful discussion … so long as you exclude people who respond from identity.”

So the issue isn’t the topic. It’s what happens when belief turns into a kind of badge.

[lovich]

Once big tech, and VC and investment firms behind them, went from “don’t be evil” to jumping in feet first into manipulating politics, that argument became at best pointless and at worst a cover to fuck around in politics and then kill discussion around it.

[UncleMeat]

Billionaires are frightened by politics because it can generate revolutionary thought that threatens their mountains of gold. They think "why can't you shut up and be a good source of labor for me to extract."

[red-iron-pine]

they don't just think that, they say it, regularly.

Ellison basically said, repeatedly, that we need AI to keep the poors in line and prevent "bad behavior"

Project 2025 never says it loudly but its unambiguous in those aims