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German president says US is destroying world order

70 points| TechTechTech | 1 month ago |reuters.com

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beezlewax|1 month ago

The US is also destroying its own internal order while they're at it. All to appease some ludicrously rich idiots.

Yesterday their moronic immigration gestapo shot and killed an innocent citizen.

In the name of what.. safety?

burnt-resistor|1 month ago

While George Floyd was neither white nor rich, he had the "advantage" of being murdered not 1 km / ½ mile away by a white MPD (city) officer and so his family was able to bring successful civil claims for tens of millions and the perpetrators were federally and locally investigated, the socio-political landscape changed, and they were prosecuted by the state criminally.

Unfortunately, Renee Nicole Good, a poet and mother of 3 has children who will now grow up without a mother and without justice or recompense because her murderer was a federal official who has nearly unqualified immunity to state and federal criminal prosecution and no civil Bivens nor 1983 actions can be brought. These officials are creating an image of lawless paramilitary with a monopoly on violence unrestrained from any meaningful accountability. Governor Walz and Mayor Frey are telling white lies as to what can be done because they have essentially zero power to investigate or prosecute federal officials. ICE & CBP has only paid out $1 million in damages total for every wrongful death claims in years... it just doesn't happen. ICE & CBP are a "samurai" mafia without a code who can and do kill almost anyone with almost total impunity. Only COTUS can fix this by allowing 1983-like claims and limiting QI/SI, but this is a pipe-dream because the team completely in-charge is deferential to law enforcement over unimportant, non-rich people.

tl;dr: ICE agents can legally get away with killing almost anyone far more easily than 90's LAPD.

general1465|1 month ago

> All to appease some ludicrously rich idiots

They are just stretching the rubber band which will eventually snap and smack them in the face. USA is increasingly having more and more poor population which is well armed and has nothing to lose.

khalic|1 month ago

If anybody in the US has any doubt, let it be clear: every person with a little bit of critical thinking and education over here in Europe is watching this unfold with horror, and put the blame squarely on trump and his voters ignominy. The lack of humanity and accountability of the maga base is horrifying to watch.

cons0le|1 month ago

Now if only we could get europeans to leave twitter and instagram. Its one of the easiest ways to cut the source of power. We need government agencies and politicians especially to get off of there.

beAbU|1 month ago

Let's not only blame trump and his voters. IMO all american citizens are complicit in this mess.

ndom91|1 month ago

Wow, someone with something to lose finally spoke up / out against the Trump administration! :clap:

While (unfortunately) rather heroic in todays day and age, I fear the retribution he's now called upon himself, Germany, and the EU in particular. Vance and Stephen Miller are already always whispering in Trump's ear about the evils of Europe / the EU, convincing him to take action on whatever they want won't be hard.

Sidebar: the fact that we have to be fearful of retribution due to such rhetoric is really all that needs to be said about the timeline we're currently living through.

eudamoniac|1 month ago

I'm not one of those hypocrites who believes that our nation's founding revolution was heroic and just, while any present-day revolution would be the opposite. Violent revolution can certainly be moral, even today, even here. But are you going to risk death for it? I'm not. Food and shelter abound. Our poor are obese. Entertainment is plentiful. How many are really at the point of mortal action? Too few, I imagine.

4gotunameagain|1 month ago

It is incredible how much the state of humanity as a whole has deteriorated in the past few years. It is impossible to even have hope any more.

The vast majority is going to suffer again, for the benefit of a handful of ultra wealthy psychopaths.

As if they don't have enough already ?

rich_sasha|1 month ago

As a European, I used to think, rather uncritically, that the US is fundamentally fairly good (not perfect but ultimately a good egg), yes some dirty business on the "fringes" of the world or a long time ago (like say, Iraq or Cuba) but "we", the "Western world", are OK and buddies, and US's good behaviour towards us reflects their true nature.

My new impression is that there's a nasty streak in the US that simply went against other people for a long time - Native Americans, African slaves, South America, Iran and the Middle East - and it was inevitably going to come out against Europe too at some point. At the end of the day, Trump can do what he does because the Congress accepts it, it accepts it because they are ideologically aligned, and a majority of American voters selected them.

I'm not picking on the US here. Plenty of countries, maybe all, have a nasty streak or ten, it's human nature. But I though the US is actually somehow better, with its institutions, its painful lessons from the country's birth, yada yada. Actually maybe they're as bad as the rest of us, but just much more powerful.

ptrhvns|1 month ago

I'm not sure that "a majority of American voters selected them" is true. Gerrymandering and other corrupting influences are a serious problem in America.

khalic|1 month ago

I too feel betrayed, I remember being such a fan of the US when I was a kid…

rasz|1 month ago

I blame MacGyver with a little bit on Chuck Norris and A-Team. Great propaganda that made us believe USA was mostly the good guys with some bad apples.

tharmas|1 month ago

It's the Elites that are the problem. Yes, there is a sizeable "mob" who are brainwashed by the Elites into being ugly too.

The Elites call the shots. So if America is behaving in an ugly way the blame lies almost exclusively with them.

Glawen|1 month ago

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kmmlng|1 month ago

The end of the UN seems plausible if we continue to move from a rule-based world order to a power-based one. For the same reason, there is little chance we will see the end of the EU. No European country is sufficiently powerful to really matter on the world stage, a more united Europe has the potential to be a significant world power though.

earthnail|1 month ago

How is Germany destroying the EU?

mcphage|1 month ago

That means more wars.