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lowbatt | 1 month ago

the LLMs would get crushed

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cowthulhu|1 month ago

To expand on this - an LLM will try to play (and reason) like a person would, while a solver simply crunches the possibility space for the mathematically optimal move.

It’s similar to how an LLM can sometimes play chess on a reasonably high (but not world-class) level, while Stockfish (the chess solver) can easily crush even the best human player in the world.

postpriorx|1 month ago

How does a poker solver select bet size? Doesn't this depend on posteriors on the opponent's 'policy' + hand estimation?

bogzz|1 month ago

How would an LLM play like a human would? I kind of doubt that there is enough recounting of poker hands or transcription of filmed poker games in the training data to imbue a human-like decision pattern.

FergusArgyll|1 month ago

You are of course correct but to be pedantic:

Stockfish isn't really a solver it's a neural net based engine

DiscourseFan|1 month ago

Unlike Chess, in poker you don’t have perfect information, so there’s no real way to optimize it.