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arwhatever | 1 month ago

Yeah I've worked at enough places that could generate vastly more software feature ideas than they could ever implement, to find the "justify your own existence"-type places utterly insufferable. And I absolutely refuse to suffer them and everyone else should too.

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tombert|1 month ago

I've never really figured out a test to tell if the company is going to fall into that category without actually working at the company.

It's not as simple as "BigCo" vs startup; I've worked at startups where layoffs were frequent enough that it devolved into existence justification, and I've worked at BigCos that actually did give a fair bit of leeway in how you do things (within some degree of reason).

The closest thing to a "rule" that I've come to is if they use a less-mainstream language; if they're routinely using Haskell or something, they're probably a bit more onboard with experimentation, but that's still not a hard and fast rule.

arwhatever|1 month ago

"How about YOU justify my existence BEFORE making the decision to hire me in the first place?" - I've never quite said but have come close.

(Sorry, you struck a nerve with your BigCo depiction. :-)

tombert|1 month ago

Genuinely not the guy's real name, but let's say that this manager's name was "Steven".

When I said that the job boiled down to a lot of people trying to justify their existence, Steven said "do you really think that people are doing things to justify their existence in the company, Tom? Really?"

I responded back with "Yes. I think some managers, STEVEN, really like to schedule meetings to make it look like they're doing important work, STEVEN, despite the fact that most of these meetings are useless and could have been handled over slack STEVEN. I don't want to name names STEVEN, but I have observed it on the management side. I suppose you'll need to figure out who I am talking about STEVEN".

This was several years ago so I'm paraphrasing, but barely. I really disliked that job and when he wouldn't just let me answer with "it wasn't a good fit" I got (maybe irrationally) angry and it ended up being an excuse to air all my grievances. I could tell that he was getting upset when I started basically resorting to thinly-veiled insults. Not my proudest moment, to be 100% honest, but I also can't really say that I'm sorry either because I meant everything I said.