Donald Trump 'orders army chiefs to draw up plan to invade Greenland'

[general1465]

Sure, go ahead, seize Greenland, there is nothing what Europe can do in retaliation, because USA does not have tens of thousands soldiers in Europe which could quickly become PoWs or at least completely stranded, cut off from resources in hostile territory. Additionally in Europe there are no bases full of equipment completely dependent on European infrastructure and amenities like electricity, water, gas.

Furthermore USA does not have forward warning radars against ICBM launches anywhere in the Europe. Nothing like this.

And it definitelly does not have any major logistical hub, whose seizure would cause inability to service other smaller logistical hubs further to the east...

[croes]

The EU won't start a war but I doubt they have to.

The US are broke, it's a lot easiery to hit them economically even if it would hurt the EU too.

[dzhiurgis]

> there is nothing what Europe can do in retaliation

I mean we barely can do anything about our actual enemies, I doubt we could do anything with allies. Or perhaps given how weird everything got... We certainly seem to spend more effort waffling about Trump than Putin.

[UncleMeat]

The thing that gives the president power is the constitution. If he acts extraconstitutionally then he is not acting as the president but instead as an ordinary citizen.

There can be no question that an invasion for the purposes of capturing territory requires an act of congress. Any effort to proceed with this crime should just mean that people depose the president. Impeachment and conviction are not the only ways to remove a president.

[burnt-resistor]

I guess you don't play chess and are fine with volunteering other people to take unwise risks from the safety of behind a keyboard.

> The thing that gives the president [sic] power is the constitution [sic].

False, that is a piece of paper and a symbol that means lots of different things to different people, especially those who have never read it. What gives power is people. He assumed plenary power that was made "legal" after the fact by a partisan hack SCOTUS.

That's what he wants. An excuse to declare martial law and become emperor for however much life he has left.

> Any effort to proceed with this crime should just mean that people depose the president. Impeachment and conviction are not the only ways to remove a president.

What must be done must follow existing legal procedures or it would be completely lawless, hypocritical, counterproductive, and more divisive. There isn't much difference in terribleness between a pariah former superpower ruled by an emperor or its dissolved fragments. Neither of these are acceptable. The path is straightforward and unavoidable: continuous and overwhelming pressure by constituents on all elected cowards until they accept impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate. This is the only way. What you talk about maybe good for you to watch the world burn but not for hundreds of millions of Americans. It will however result in POTUS Vance, who is crazy but not nearly as stupid and crazy by orders of magnitude and lacks the support of the entire crazy base, which would limit his power. If he should prove dangerously unfit, he can be impeached too.

We the People are the ultimate bosses, not the man in the chair.

[stevenalowe]

“According to the sources, the President has asked the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) to prepare the invasion plan, but it is being resisted by the joint chiefs of staff on the grounds that it would be illegal - and would not be supported by Congress.”

“A diplomatic source said: 'The generals think Trump's Greenland plan is crazy and illegal. So they are trying to deflect him with other major military operations. They say it's like dealing with a five-year-old'”

[lawn]

There were similar reports after his first term; that this kind of person has risen to this kind power is absolutely ridiculous.

[halJordan]

I mean this came up several times in court. It's totally legal for him to order these things. It might be illegal for the generals to act on those orders. But then, because the order is legal by virtue of the officeholder issuing it then it's also illegal to refuse a lawful order. Only one set of illegal orders comes with a pardon though.

[treetalker]

wElL ObViOuSlY tHe PrObLeM iS nOt ThE pLaN bUt ThE gEnErAlS

[mikewarot]

We could do it quite easily. However, the rest of the world would likely drop the US Dollar like a Ruble, almost instantly losing its reserve currency status as a result. We here in the US would lose about 75% of our standard of living.

The way Trump is going I'm fairly certain it's going to happen before he's done regardless.

[croes]

The USSR faiked for similar reasons

[etyhhgfff]

Capturing Maduro is one thing, but assaulting your friends is another.

[johng]

So, not a single source named and from a source that routinely out and out lies about Trump.

I find it so hard to believe news now a days, from both sides... it's never been this bad, IMHO. Journalism doesn't exist. It's just clickbait.

[Trasmatta]

Why in the world would you not believe this? Trump has come out and publicly stated that he wants Greenland over and over. He's literally said that the military option is on the table. You don't have to believe this article at all, but it's obviously true just because of what Trump himself has said.

[rondaerth92]

Europe can only regulate the invasion. They will happily create regulations and bureaucratic institutions to regulate it, since no European wants to fight wars.