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robbies | 1 month ago

I know enough people at Apple who are at the mercy of the overlord design teams, and it sounds exactly like what you described

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kristopolous|1 month ago

I've met some great designers as well. They usually come from more modest backgrounds.

It's kinda the rule for programmes too.

The ones that went to a small liberal arts school you've never heard of programming as their second career are usually more effective to work with then the Stanford/MIT crowd.

The problems start I think, when you have an expectation that your collaborators are somehow either superhuman or subhuman and not peers.

Humility and mutual respect gets things done.

crena|1 month ago

Apple designers used to build interactive demos in Macromedia Director, so I'm assuming they knew a bit about scripting. That probably helped them think in a way that really clicks with software development.

I've worked with some younger designers who couldn't even put together a consistent click-dummy once the client wanted to see flows outside the happy path. To be fair, all they really had to go on was their education and Figma's panels.

deltaburnt|1 month ago

This is a pretty discriminatory comment that I’ve honestly seen zero hint of in reality. And this is coming from someone who didn't go to a particularly prestigious school. I honestly rarely even find out what school my colleagues went to school. But the ones I know who did go to those prestigious schools are beyond humble.