[rdm_blackhole]

> energy independence is also important for the nation.

None of this matters to people who can't afford to heat their homes in the winter.

The price reduction was a Labour campaign promise and on that front it has failed dramatically.

This is why people lose trusts in politicians and what has fueled the rise of the far right across Europe, when politicians make promises that they know they won't be able to keep.

[Nursie]

> None of this matters to people who can't afford to heat their homes in the winter.

1. Yes it does because it helps the country control prices and helps people afford to heat their homes in winter.

2. Yes it does because defence is still important even if prices are high.

I'm not defending labour's record or politicians in general, but you're letting your irritation blind you there.

[iamcalledrob]

It's not an either-or.

Price and energy independence are both important. Renewables are an important way to both (1) drive long-term cost down and (2) reduce reliance on foreign states.

I wouldn't say Labour have failed here. In fact, efforts like this are steps towards lowering prices. Let's see what the long-term trend is. Prices aren't going to plummet overnight.

[rdm_blackhole]

> It's not an either-or.

I understand but I am telling you that this argument is basically useless when people see their bill at the end of each month.

> I wouldn't say Labour have failed here. In fact, efforts like this are steps towards lowering prices.

I don't mind splitting hairs when necessary but you are clearly not arguing in good faith. Labour pledge repeatedly that it would lower the prices by hundreds of pounds each year for good and this has not happened and Labour is running out of time.

If the promise could not be delivered on, why make it? That is just giving ammunition to the other parties who will use it against them not to mention make them look like liars.