[TimTheTinker]

> the government routinely searches the personal property of innocent people if they think that search will yield information about a suspect.

If that's true, it's a direct violation of the fourth amendment. I'll paste it here for convenience:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[AnimalMuppet]

Well, "routinely" should have been interpreted to mean "routinely, after showing probable cause and obtaining a warrant". Law enforcement obtains warrants for that routinely, that is, it's not an exceptional case for them to do so.

[yorwba]

That includes an explicit carve-out for reasonable searches. And given "innocent until proven guilty" any search is technically targeting innocent people in hopes of yielding information about a suspect. Sometimes that's a reasonable thing to do.

[rolph]

there are some places where no one should go skulking around, no matter what the problem might be.

if someone goes snooping around my 1000yd backstop without signing in at the range house, they are suicidal.

there is a lot of signage, and curtailage, and a darwin prize

[eli]

They get a warrant