Tesla moving Full Self-Driving to a monthly subscription

[pavel_lishin]

Is "Full Self-Driving" still the term they use to describe a mode that does not actually fully self-drive the car?

[JumpCrisscross]

> Is "Full Self-Driving" still the term they use to describe a mode that does not actually fully self-drive the car?

To be fair it's appended with "(Supervised)".

[CursedSilicon]

Hey! I'll have you know that trillionaire-because-he-absolutely-deserved-it Elon of Musky promised Full Self Driving in 2017. That's next year! /s

[hnspirit95]

I can't help but think of an absurd situation where your subscription ends mid use and results in a crash. Like I'm sure the engineers have thought of this but the image of someone cruising down the road and getting a popup to enter their payment info before careening off a cliff is just so humorous... until the horrifying possibility that it could be reality sinks in.

[hulitu]

> I can't help but think of an absurd situation where your subscription ends mid use and results in a crash

Message on head-up display: "Your FSD subscription has expired. Do you want to purchase a new one ? [ ]Remind me later. [X]Yes. "

And then stuck in an infinite loop, because, for some reason, it cannot complete the transaction.

[darkteflon]

What happens to people who paid for it as part of the sticker price? Are they grandfathered permanently?

[graemep]

It sounds as though they are from the wording, but who knows what a future update may bring?

[olyjohn]

Doesn't matter, they'll be buying new cars before they get full self driving.

[jmpman]

I paid for FSD the first month it was offered monthly. Was so bad I wanted my money back but couldn’t figure out how to get Tesla to refund. Feel worse for those who paid the full $8k

[jerlam]

It was $15k at the peak of Tesla hype. That's the cost of subscribing for 12.5 years.

[toomuchtodo]

Ran out of suckers to pay the lump sum.

[JumpCrisscross]

Make hay while the sun shines. BYD will force self driving to table stakes in a few years.

[blackoil]

Not just BYD, huawei solution is almost at par with Tesla. German, Korean, Chinese all will be there in few years.

[graemep]

Once they are established they will require a subscription, or they will stop support after a few years so you have to buy a new car or pay more to get extended support.

Whatever it takes to extract more money from you.

[rchaud]

Not if they remain banned to prop up the domestic infant industry.

[m463]

Their cars become less and less attractive.

No dashboard, later no turn signals, no drive stalk, defrost on touchscreen, now car is becoming subscription-based...

[sam_goody]

I have never driven a Tesla, so this is all anecdotal.

Some of my (extended) neighbors are members of a family that live near each other. One sister bought a Tesla. The brother who lived down the block laughed at her because politics. Despite that, within a year he had bought one as well. Their parents test drove it a few times and were critical about how it drove weird. But now, after about 9 months, their father mentioned in passing that he ordered one. Another brother mentioned that he would sell his Maxus for a Tesla if he could afford to.

Until recently, one had a Chevy, one a Hyundai, one a Maxus and one an ancient Subaru.

I have never seen such buy-in with any other brand, and that is despite the toxicity of the Tesla CEO. I wouldn't be so quick to write them off.

[KellyCriterion]

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[calmbonsai]

I mean, at least in the U.S., an "FSD System" can't (yet) be held fully liable and there's not enough legal precedent for it (atm) even if it could.

Thus, if you drive in the U.S., you're both stupid and irresponsible if you utilize any "FSD" system while you're behind the wheel. Note that this legally distinct from "autonomous self-driving" like Waymo.

I have zero doubt we'll eventually get there, but it's going to be quite some time (over a decade?) for real FSD to be ubiquitous enough for the requisite traffic law changes and for this stuff to have gone through enough legal challenges in the various state courts.

[qwerpy]

Stupid and irresponsible driver here. It drives quite well and saves me considerable mental energy on every drive I make now. If it gets into a wreck I know I’m liable, but in years of using it, that hasn’t happened. So why not enjoy the more relaxing drives now?

[rsynnott]

I mean, if you've got an audience who are willing to pay upfront for vapourware, might as well try having them pay monthly for vapourware instead, I suppose.