[john01dav]

> combined with studies showing there is zero safe threshold without brain damage markers in the blood?

Are you saying that there's zero safe threshold of choking, or for viewing porn?

(To be clear, choking someone without consent is assault and unacceptable, whether a blood test shows damage or not.)

[gjsman-1000]

A. There is zero safe threshold for choking.

B. Choking is inherently, obviously, dangerous.

C. Pornography has caused choking behaviors among youth to go from negligible to over 38%.

D. Brain damage is measurable in anyone who has been choked.

E. As such, pornography does, in fact, have blame for encouraging this kind of experimentation.

F. If "fighting words" and "misinformation" shouldn't be free speech, who is to say pornography does not incite risk, when other things can?

[array_key_first]

The argument I commonly hear of pornography causing more extreme sexual experimentation is a very weak one. I know, for sure, pornography did not cause me to be a homosexual.

Kinks, BDSM, and what have you, have always existed and will continue to exist. The solution is teaching safe ways to participate, and the importance of consent. A desire to just wipe them out is naive, and will not work.

[stickfigure]

> Pornography has caused choking behaviors among youth to go from negligible to over 38%.

That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

[d1sxeyes]

I have a lot of concerns about your presentation of this.

A. It’s also true that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption and yet we sort of see experimentation with alcohol as a rite of passage.

B. I mean, so is walking out your front door. I don’t see this as adding much to point A.

C. This is a big jump. First, we see more openness about sexual behaviour. While I’m prepared to agree that it has likely gone up, I would not be comfortable with the degree you imply. Second, while I do think it is likely that pornography has indeed contributed to this, pornography has also likely contributed to an increase in experimentation in general, with other sexual behaviours also likely seeing an increase (for example oral/anal sex, water play, etc).

D. I find this very hard to accept at face value. Do you have studies/evidence to support this claim?

E. Yes, I would likely agree, although whether “encourages sexual experimentation” is a bad thing or not is a question for further debate.

F. This conflates some very weird things. “Fighting words” are a specific type of restricted speech (i.e. you can’t go round shouting “I’ll kill you”). Sharing misinformation is broadly not illegal (except in very specific sets of circumstances-fraud, inciting violence, etc.). It’s also broadly speaking not against the law to tell the truth. “Some people like to choke each other during sex” is a true statement, even if it’s harmful.

Do you support a ban on porn all together? That’s quite a radical view.

[ulrikrasmussen]

I don't believe that choking leads to brain damage in every single individual who has been choked, for whatever duration. If that is the case, then holding your breath should lead to brain damage too, no? You really need to back up that claim with some evidence.

[terminalshort]

Can you explain point A? It seems fundamentally flawed unless there is also brain damage from breath holding, hiking at high altitude, and other normal activities that involve operating at lower oxygen levels.

[gruez]

>and "misinformation" shouldn't be free speech

That worked so well during covid, right?