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Egor3f | 1 month ago

$36/mo for 2/4/50 VPS without public IP... Ok, I get the idea that the service is for non-regular use, but I think even $0.005 per hour ($3.6/mo) of suspended state is too expensive. The same config in Hetzner is just $4.09/mo for 24/7 working VPS with public IPv4 address

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messh|1 month ago

Hi, That is a good point actually. The suspended price has to be significantly lower than the alternative. I'll revise it.

Still, there is the advantage of simplicity not having to deal with the web console etc. Some people may enjoy this

eptcyka|1 month ago

Have fun racing to the bottom. If I can get an unsuspended VM at 5$ a month, the suspendable one has to be significantly faster or significantly cheaper. Then again, take my gnawing with a boulder of salt for I will not be a customer. I have my own server that is running 24/7 already.

einsteinx2|1 month ago

Yeah this is a cool idea but the pricing is way too high. For anything I would use this for I could just set up any VPS from any provider for cheaper and it’s stateful in the sense that it’s my own VPS and my files/applications/tmux sessions/whatever will be there the next time I SSH in.

The UX here seems really nice, but after spending a couple minutes setting up the VPS, I essentially get the same UX (aka just ssh in and so stuff).

I’d potentially be willing to pay some premium over a standard VPS, but certainly not a 10x premium…honestly probably not even 2x.

nine_k|1 month ago

The interesting part here is that the box is stateful, unlike a Lambda. You return literally to the point where you left off.

7bit|1 month ago

Why would I need to suspend a machine other than saving cost? Until your rare is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper, I just go to Hetzner and let it run.

nine_k|1 month ago

Interesting to compare with Fly's sprites: https://sprites.dev/#billing

swores|1 month ago

Maybe I'm being dense, but could someone kindly explain to me the "Web App" example on that Sprites page?

"30 hours of wake time per month (~5 concurrent users avg), averaging 10% of 2 CPUs and 1 GB RAM"

Does that mean it would sit available but using 0% when there's nobody on the site, and just bill for usage when web traffic is causing the server to do work? So if the web app went a month with no visitors it would cost nothing (except for the file storage fees)?

messh|1 month ago

One difference other than price is that sprites doesn't seem to use ssh

nodesocket|1 month ago

Pricing does not make any sense. I can get a AWS EC2 t4g.small (2 vCPUs, 2 GB memory) with a 50 GB EBS SSD (gp3) for a total of $16.26/mo.

TurdF3rguson|1 month ago

I think the comparison has to be with EC2 spot right? It feels like EC2 is the better deal, but maybe more of a pain to deal with their UI.

kelnos|1 month ago

Sort of, but maybe not quite? When you spin up an EC2 spot instance, it's a fresh instance with whatever AMI you load into it, and it's a fresh boot at that time. (You can save persistent data to an EBS volume that you create once up front and then attach to each new instance, of course.)

With this service, it seems like the VM underpinning your session is suspended (like as if you were to suspend-to-RAM or hibernate your laptop), and then resumed the next time you sign in, so not only is the filesystem in the same state as it was during your last session, but any background processes that have spun up since then are resumed as well, and are still running.

messh|1 month ago

Currently the price is in the same ballpark as dev.exe ($20/month no suspendind) ans sprites.dev (higher for suspended butnlowe for running)

LevkaDev|1 month ago

I think this is mostly true functionally, but not experientially.

A VPS gives you persistent state, but it still assumes you’re willing to manage that state. The distinction here seems less about what’s possible and more about who carries the ongoing operational burden: the user or the service.

wolvoleo|1 month ago

Also many other services that are way cheaper are also charged per hour.

messh|1 month ago

But you cannot suspend these vps so easily and fast. Shellbox.dev aims to be frictionless in that regard