[DarkNova6]

But is DevOps a role or a principle?

The way I have seen it in my carreer is to have operational and development capabilities within the same team. And the idea of a „DevOps guy“ is a guy „developing operations integrations“.

As opposed to completely siloing ops nd dev.

[pjmlp]

For most companies, it is a role, the new name for IT administrators.

[dsr_]

DevOps is the practice of using modern software methods to automate the tasks of operations work. That includes using version control, templating languages and various forms of role-based configuration automation.

Anyone who thinks they can hire a devop or declare that they do devops is as deluded as 97% of the folks who claim that they are doing Agile. (If you are firmly on the other side of each of the four principles of the Agile Manifesto, you may or may not be doing great software development, but it's not Agile.)

The problem with the typical DevOps team is that there's no operations expertise.

[pjmlp]

My experience is that most companies don't do Agile, and DevOps is basically sys admin that also happens to own Jenkins or similar.

[RaftPeople]

> If you are firmly on the other side of each of the four principles of the Agile Manifesto

The agile manifesto has 12 principles (per the orig: "Twelve Principles of Agile Software")

Are you thinking of a different list when you say 4, or are you maybe combining some together?

[ofrzeta]

I've had recruiters telling me they are "looking for a devops" (not even a "devop").