[antod]

> You are far better off with people that can work together across the bridge, but that requires actual mutual trust and respect, and we’re not able to do that.

Wasn't that the original goal of DevOps? Getting dev and ops not being siloes and get them collaborating? The "make devs do ops" definition seemed to come along later.

[Conan_Kudo]

The original goal of DevOps never happened. Companies immediately jumped on this with "rationalizations" and "integrations" to make it so fewer people were in charge of more things.

[tstrimple]

Case in point, the number of companies who create "devops" teams completely missing the point of the exercise.