[Lutger]

Maybe you are right about kubernetes, I don't have enough experience to have an opinion. I disagree about containers though, especially the wider docker toolchain.

It is not that difficult to understand a Dockerfile and use containers. Containers, from a developer pov, solve the problem of reliably reproducing development, test and production environments and workloads, and distributing those changes to a wider environment. It is not perfect, its not 100% foolproof, and its not without its quirks or learning curve.

However, there is a reason docker has become as popular as it is today (not only containers, but also dockerfiles and docker compose), and that is because it has a good tradeoff between various concerns that make it a highly productive solution.

[dgxyz]

I suggest you read my comment here, which I'd rather not repeat as it's quite a long one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46676676

[xorcist]

> problem of reliably reproducing development, test and production environments and workloads

Then again so does a tar file.

Some people might disagree that the problem is "solved" but there you go.