[elktown]

Not everything needs to be a SPA. I genuinely believe that the web would've been a much better place today on most important metrics (performance, simplicity, accessibility etc.) if this SPA shift would've never happened. The opportunity cost seems massive to me.

[andai]

Most software I've used could have been a few hundred lines of PHP. But then they'd be done in like a day, which is great if you're a business owner (and the reason Pieter Levels uses PHP, for example), but not so great if you need to get paid to keep churning the code indefinitely (i.e. most people's situation)... and ideally hire all your friends to help too ;)

[elktown]

There are indeed less user-centric metrics with surprising weight when it comes down to it. I've also noticed that "We read a FAANG blog post and got enchanted" is easily remembered as "Everything was bad and we had to change it all" ;).

[jauntywundrkind]

I don't find litigating this to be useful or interesting. Debating what is needed could show us lots of things we could cut. But would that bring real gain?

SPA's have really nice performance characteristics. Code is all loaded. The page can transition between states rather than total redraw. A good SPA should offer the same capabilities too, ought have URL routing and good history support.

I do think the web would be faster and simpler without SPAs. But it wouldn't be anywhere near as capable, as interesting, and as loved.

[elktown]

> I don't find litigating this to be useful or interesting.

I think it is useful because our field is woefully inept at anything resembling backtracking, and it's having concrete detrimental effects all over the field by, for example, increasing mountains of bloat eating up hardware improvements.

> SPA's have really nice performance characteristics. [..] A good SPA should offer the same capabilities too

The problem is that not even large teams without any obvious lack of resources are also unable to prevent sluggishness from creeping in to SPAs. So I guess there's a theoretical SPA and a de facto one.

> But it wouldn't be anywhere near as capable, as interesting, and as loved.

Capable sure, if you're creating Google Earth style apps. But when you start using vague and extremely subjective adjectives like "interesting" and "loved" it should be a signal that something's off here.