I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week.
Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint.
Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX.
[Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up Ubuntu to work with other desktops than Unity, but IMO there's not really a compelling reason to stick with it when the out-of-the-box experience is inferior to another distro.]
Stabbing others in the back is no way to behave, especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images.
Starting drama with the competition is a good move, it makes your company/product relevant, causes people to talk about your company/product, and shows that your product/company has personality. The term "Avoid the pain of Windows 8." is not overly offensive and does not lack class.
Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).
Exactly. It's also awkward because Windows 8 is really good. I have been running it for a month and will definitely upgrade when it comes out. I like Ubuntu and it definitely runs great under Windows 8's new hyper-v client so "avoid the pain of Windows 8" makes no sense to me.
Better yet, make sure you remove Unity altogether. I've been using Quantal since beta 1, and while Cinnamon wasn't so stable for me, Gnome 3.6 works smoothly.
It also works almost flawlessly out of the box on the Retina MacBook Pro. The only thing that requires adding is the Broadcom b43 modules and possibly the proprietary nVidia drivers.
This is a cliched reply that would be appropriate a few years ago.
Nowadays, I've found that I can install Ubuntu on more laptops and desktops and get better driver support from the initial install than even Windows can in many cases.
With Windows, I've had to scrounge around for drivers and pray they're compatible with Windows 8 Professional 64bit Premium Plus Bonus edition on the same laptops.
I find this troll genuinely amusing as "just works" device support is a major reason I've been running Ubuntu heavily since 2005.
In fact, the last time I ran into any issue wasn't on a desktop. It was Ubuntu server on a newly launched Cisco UCS blade nearly 2+ years ago. At the time, I'm not sure what if anything could recognize a VIC out of the box (Ubuntu does as of 11.04).
For the last few years, with the exception of a cheap, crappy handheld scanner, I've spent about ten times as much time downloading and installing drivers on my partners various Windows and OS X laptops than I have spent doing the same on Ubuntu.
Drivers for our HP printer for example? 200MB+ download for OS X and Windows. Works the moment you plug in the USB cable on Ubuntu and have been for years.
That notion is pretty alien to me. I've thrown Ubuntu onto some pretty useless old machines and had better hardware support. Example: I found out a couple of years ago that two-finger scrolling was possible on an nine-year old machine. The option to enable this in Synaptics/Windows simply wasn't there.
This a common myth. I'm going to assume that you don't tinker with your machines often. Whenever I do a fresh install of Windows, I go on a wild goose chase for drivers.
The current Linux kernel supports more devices than any single Windows release. Linux also supports more legacy devices than Windows Vista or Windows 7 and supports numerous architectures not supported at all by Windows.
In the case when there's no support for certain hardware, it's often the manufacturers who are at fault. They don't spend the resources to create the drivers or they make it difficult for the Linux community to make them.
I haven't had a problem finding a driver since I installed 8.10 on my netbook and had to compile madwifi from source. The problem went away with 9.04 and I haven't had any issues since then.
I literally can't remember the last time I had driver issues in Ubuntu. The last time I had one in Linux at ALL was early Raspberry Pi builds that didn't include Broadcom drivers. And even that was easy to fix.
Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc.
But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a power user although it feels weird compared to the excellent Gnome 2.
Until Unity, Ubuntu was unstoppable IMHO. It's still good though.
After about 8 years of screwing around with my window manager and whatnot I switched to Mac OS X and did not find that the lack of configurability was a significant detriment to my productivity. In fact, in some ways it was beneficial, because I spent fewer days trying out new window managers and configuring them. Going back to Linux with Ubuntu, I rather like Unity because it gets me past the hump of all that nonsense and is perfectly adequate at multiplexing browsers and terminals for me.
Back when Metacity was young, you could hardly move without hearing screams from people about how lame a window manager it was, especially compared to things like Sawfish and FVWM. It's really quite surreal to hear people decrying the lack of a built-in power user stuff like Metacity today. Of course we're talking about the whole desktop environment, but still, I hear what I hear.
In any event, if you're a power user, you're going to screw with these defaults until you're blue in the face and I see no evidence that Ubuntu is going to take away that luxury. But I'm back from OS X now because I feel that coming with Apple.
I'll grant you that Ubuntu is the best (at least one of the best) flavors of desktop Linux, but server Linux? Strongly disagree. Why not just use vanilla Debian?
Canonical has specifically said that they're targetting the new users, and that if you're a power user, there are tons of other distros out there made just for you. There aren't a lot of choices for newbies, so that's the niche they're aiming for.
Out of curiosity, why do you say Ubuntu is a better server linux than it's daddy, Debian?
Just upgraded. If anyone is running the open AMD/ATI drivers and the UI becomes slow and unusable you should try to install the proprietary drivers. It made the UI snappy again because everything seems to require hardware acceleration now.
this is totally childish, i have been using ubuntu for last 6 years and never have had complains with their working. they used to do splendid job by delivering the cds at door steps in shipit program. but this step of defaming competitors is never gonna help, it is going to become a part of criticism.
I don't know if you noticed, but Ubuntu hasn't been picking up new users at a dramatic rate. And it's easily in the top 3 Linux distros. What do they actually have to lose?
If I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and Ubuntu says something about Windows 8, am I going to stop using Ubuntu because I am so offended on Microsoft's behalf? Not really.
I'm a little confused. I don't see a change log. I also don't see an easy way to upgrade from 12.04 which is what I currently run. Do I need to do a full reinstall? Am I missing something? (probably)
I've been running this for a few days now on my macbook air (mid-2012, aka 5,2) and it is flawless. 12.04 needed to have ACPI switched off, I guess at some point the fixed that but I didn't think to check until I decided to take the plunge with beta2 and the clean install booted absolutely perfectly! #Ubuntu #Winning
Just did the upgrade from 12.04 and most things worked fine, but I lost the sound output in the way. After a quick search on the ubuntu forums, I found the way to restore it, and voila, sound is back and everything is working like before. A little strange, though. If I expect any issue, it's probably not about the sound...
This is the first release of Ubuntu that I am not excited to upgrade to. The whole Amazon web search is bothersome to me. I can understand Canonical wanting to make money, but getting in bed with Amazon is kind of weird. Also I did not see any features in 12.10 that I was excited about. Disappointing release.
[+] [-] vacipr|13 years ago|reply
Well done Canonical..well done.
Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[+] [-] georgemcbay|13 years ago|reply
I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week.
Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint.
Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX.
[Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up Ubuntu to work with other desktops than Unity, but IMO there's not really a compelling reason to stick with it when the out-of-the-box experience is inferior to another distro.]
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[+] [-] jw_|13 years ago|reply
Sorry, that slogan is a bit much given how bad the recent Ubuntu releases have been.
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[+] [-] adamman|13 years ago|reply
If you think Windows 8 is going to be a pain, I don't recommend moving to Ubuntu. BTW, I really like Ubuntu. I don't like that sales pitch though.
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[+] [-] josephlord|13 years ago|reply
Make sure you disable the shopping lens before searching in public. Amazon searches can be NSFW!
Don't search for analyze in a school or Saudi Arabia.
I think that this is unacceptable default behaviour but currently seems to be a WON'T FIX.
[+] [-] gtCameron|13 years ago|reply
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1060979
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[+] [-] capitalisthakr|13 years ago|reply
Very impressive.
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[+] [-] modarts|13 years ago|reply
And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.
[+] [-] nacs|13 years ago|reply
Nowadays, I've found that I can install Ubuntu on more laptops and desktops and get better driver support from the initial install than even Windows can in many cases.
With Windows, I've had to scrounge around for drivers and pray they're compatible with Windows 8 Professional 64bit Premium Plus Bonus edition on the same laptops.
[+] [-] incision|13 years ago|reply
In fact, the last time I ran into any issue wasn't on a desktop. It was Ubuntu server on a newly launched Cisco UCS blade nearly 2+ years ago. At the time, I'm not sure what if anything could recognize a VIC out of the box (Ubuntu does as of 11.04).
[+] [-] vidarh|13 years ago|reply
Drivers for our HP printer for example? 200MB+ download for OS X and Windows. Works the moment you plug in the USB cable on Ubuntu and have been for years.
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[+] [-] reledi|13 years ago|reply
The current Linux kernel supports more devices than any single Windows release. Linux also supports more legacy devices than Windows Vista or Windows 7 and supports numerous architectures not supported at all by Windows.
In the case when there's no support for certain hardware, it's often the manufacturers who are at fault. They don't spend the resources to create the drivers or they make it difficult for the Linux community to make them.
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[+] [-] jebblue|13 years ago|reply
But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a power user although it feels weird compared to the excellent Gnome 2.
Until Unity, Ubuntu was unstoppable IMHO. It's still good though.
[+] [-] fusiongyro|13 years ago|reply
Back when Metacity was young, you could hardly move without hearing screams from people about how lame a window manager it was, especially compared to things like Sawfish and FVWM. It's really quite surreal to hear people decrying the lack of a built-in power user stuff like Metacity today. Of course we're talking about the whole desktop environment, but still, I hear what I hear.
In any event, if you're a power user, you're going to screw with these defaults until you're blue in the face and I see no evidence that Ubuntu is going to take away that luxury. But I'm back from OS X now because I feel that coming with Apple.
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[+] [-] vacri|13 years ago|reply
Out of curiosity, why do you say Ubuntu is a better server linux than it's daddy, Debian?
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[+] [-] slurgfest|13 years ago|reply
If I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and Ubuntu says something about Windows 8, am I going to stop using Ubuntu because I am so offended on Microsoft's behalf? Not really.
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[+] [-] spindritf|13 years ago|reply
That's not a change log but new features are listed here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
> I also don't see an easy way to upgrade from 12.04 which is what I currently run.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
I never had any problems with it but some people prefer a clean install.
[+] [-] aes256|13 years ago|reply
Fire up Terminal and run 'update-manager -d' and it should show up.
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Stay classy Canonical...
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chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
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