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jakobnissen | 1 month ago

A brief search suggests this is around 1/4000th of the total US treasury market, so if this has any significance at all, it's symbolic.

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margalabargala|1 month ago

1/4000th in this context seems huge to be honest.

irishcoffee|1 month ago

If the US paid $8B towards it debt every _day_ it would take over thirteen _years_ (completely ignoring interest accumulation, which isn't realistic) to pay off $38T in debt.

I don't see how this is huge in context, it is indeed symbolic.

Please don't get me wrong here, I am neither advocating the selling or not selling of US bonds. This specific sale just isn't statically significant in a vacuum. If this precipitates a snowball effect of bond-selling, completely different story.

phkahler|1 month ago

>> A brief search suggests this is around 1/4000th of the total US treasury market, so if this has any significance at all, it's symbolic.

If someone thinks the value of those bonds is going to drop, then selling would have great significance for the seller.

tgv|1 month ago

But it might also signify (as in: be a symbol) that European funds are less willing to buy future US bonds, which has a more dramatic impact.

twelvedogs|1 month ago

No one wants to be left holding the bag

deadbabe|1 month ago

Every waterfall begins with a drop.

zeroonetwothree|1 month ago

But 99.99% of drops do not cause a waterfall

deeg|1 month ago

It seems like if they are trying to put pressure on the US government it might be easier to dump Tesla stock. Maybe the billionaires and MAGA would buy to keep it propped up but if it turned into a selling frenzy musk could be in trouble.

oulipo2|1 month ago

Symbolism has importance

rdtsc|1 month ago

Exactly but it has to be recognized as such. It’s easy to fall into self delusion and make it into some “oh yeah this will be collapse of the US empire, finally” story.

Not, that it also fun to go with that story, but as long as everyone in the room understands it’s sort of a wishful fantasy.

SilverElfin|1 month ago

Not really - it is going to show the world what alternatives people are pursuing as a strategy. Where they put their money will cause others to do the same. And the more people do it, the safer those new assets become. That will cause even more people to make the move.

Note that China has been selling US treasuries for months now (https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-sells-treasuries-9-st...) and there are signs that India has been quietly selling large amounts too. So it feels like the start of something much bigger, a total decoupling from the US due to its unstable politics, foreign policy, and quickly accumulating debt (Trump has added $5 trillion already and may add much more).