[decafninja]

There are naive people with good intentions that feel that war is absolutely never justified and it would be better for everyone if Ukraine just rolled over and surrendered. Nevermind who the aggressor is. Note, this is not my own opinion.

Others that think a nation should turn isolationist and focus on domestic problems instead of helping other European countries.

Regarding Meloni, yes, people feared how she’d end up like, and many vilified her leading up to the election. But not to the degree that say, the National Rally or the Le Pens have always been. Or at least, that is what I observed as an outsider who is neither French, Italian, or European.

Plus, you can argue that many people believed “oh, Trump couldn’t possibly really be like that”, and, well, here we are.