[noobermin]

Regarding just the headline, at this point it's not really about immigration, this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons. The two people who have been killed so far were themselves citizens and at best were political dissidents. They were not themselves subject to detainment due to immigration status.

[baubino]

> this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons.

The more quickly Americans come to terms with this reality, the better. I’m not in Minneapolis, but from what I’ve been reading and hearing, people there already understand that their city is being occupied by a hostile force and that this is indeed a civil conflict. Everyone else needs to catch up now.

[duxup]

I don’t think it’s ever about what Trump claims. It’s just one crisis after another where they hope to distract and divide people to get themselves power / support and anyone killed along the way, they don’t care.

Some of trumps big donors have been caught hiring large number of illegal folks by design and they don’t care.

[AlecSchueler]

> But the other woman tried to flee and run over a cop. So that particular shooting was entirely justified

She didn't try to run over anyone, you can watch multiple videos of this. It's also my understanding that they had no basis for detaining her, as there was no reason to believe she was illegally in the United States.

Even if that wasn't so the use of lethal force is far beyond what would have been necessary.

[amluto]

On the flip side: where did the idea that it’s illegal to obstruct a belligerent person who does not clearly identify themselves as a law enforcement officer come from?

[luke5441]

Killing someone is the ultimate punishment. They stop existing. Are you arguing that obstructing federal law enforcement officers mean they are allowed to kill you as punishment without the legal system being involved?

[testing22321]

Watch the video of what led to this. He was standing there filming with his phone, ICE ran up to him and started yelling/pushing.

Are you suggesting that him filming was obstructing ICE?

[tehwebguy]

Bro is like, “can we please stop talking about this extra judicial politically motivated murder and please focus on the semantics of my argument?”