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water-data-dude | 1 month ago

Oh boy, lemme tell you: water management is one of those things that's More Difficult Than It Seems.

I'm going to recommend Cadillac Desert, which is by far the most entertaining and readable book on water. It goes into the history of water in the western US, a dry region that's very dependent on the Colorado River. The American West isn't a poor, war-torn area, and a LOT of money has been spent on various projects - but water is still a serious issue.

Things like "big pipelines to move water around" have been tried, but they're enormously expensive, and they don't really put as much of a dent in the problem as you'd imagine. Dams can store some excess water, but they cause problems of their own (which is why we don't build as many, and are getting rid of dams we don't need), and they're a bandaid at best. There's not a good solution to "how do we move a TON of water around", at least not now.

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repelsteeltje|1 month ago

Indeed, it's easy to overestimate the capacity of a large tube and underestimate that of a small river.

spwa4|1 month ago

The problem is not capacity of a tube. Let's take a recent example, Teheran. And let's assume desalination is just totally free. The city needs 1.2 billion m3 cubic meters of fresh water, and is on average 1200 meters above sea level. Let's not even count actually transporting that water, let's just discuss pumping it.

E = mgh, blabla, this requires 500 Megawatt constant power, 24/7/365, JUST to move the water up. This is the theoretical minimum power required to lift it against gravity. Does not include pumping the water inland.

This does not include actually pumping the water (ie. horizontal movement) (30% inefficiency would certainly not be considered bad engineering), doesn't include electrical inefficiency (30% in the power plant + 10% in the motors), doesn't include desalination (100%), doesn't include building the massive bridges something like this would require, doesn't include ...

So let's say you need a 4 Gigawatt power plant, every single drop just to keep this one city alive.

And for Asian cities, Teheran is tiny, about the size of Greater London or Paris. Most Pakistani cities are easily double that.

What needs to happen is that people in Asia need to abandon quite a few cities (yes, European cities are largely in, when it comes to water, sustainable places. Africa is less ideal, but still reasonable, US is reasonable with some exceptions, it's a bunch of Asian cities that are the problem here)

einszwei|1 month ago

I'd also add that it is easy to underestimate the water usage.

Desalination could be viable if it was only for subsistence/drinking. But water use is extensive in every single product/service we use and thing we cconsume. Cost of water going up across the board will have effects that shouldn't be underestimated.

api|1 month ago

Isn’t the problem ultimately that water is heavy and it takes a lot of power to pump it and that’s expensive?

You can pump water faster through a big tube but then you need big pumps and tons of electricity. If it’s going uphill that’s going to be serious power.