[chinathrow]

It's time to disarm Russia.

Edit: to be more clear: I can't believe that after 4 fucking years, a hostile nation is still permitted to wage war against a sovereign country.

[dragonwriter]

The Russo-Ukrainian war started with an invasion 12 years ago at the end of next month, not 4.

[pyuser583]

People go back and forth on this. When they are trying to sound "very smart", they'll insist "well actually, the Russians invaded in 2014!"

But something fundamentally different happened in 2022.

Remember, Zelensky was elected on a platform of negotiating with Russia for the dispossessed territory. That was acceptable 2014 - but certainly not now.

[chinathrow]

Absolutely right.

[trentnix]

"permitted"

What exactly do you think their response to attempted forcible disarmament would be?

[Barrin92]

frankly I think much less than people assume. Obviously nuclear weapons need to be taken seriously but we should have taken a much more muscular posture ages ago.

There's this mental cold war image of these people grinding it out to the Armageddon but in reality the entire Russian leadership has their children living in the cities they're threatening. Putin has a daughter that manages an art gallery in Paris. Bullies back down when you punch back and that's the much better framing of modern day rogue actors.

[non-]

Permitted? What’s your plan to stop them without triggering Armageddon?

[tim333]

Back in the day Biden could have said we're protecting Ukraine - invading troops will be bombed by the USAF, rather than the actual - well if you only invade a little bit we won't do much.

Now the west is mostly trying to bankrupt Russia which isn't going too badly. Oil's being kind of blocked and they've sold 71% of their gold to keep things going but that'll run out. https://united24media.com/latest-news/russia-liquidates-71-o...

[colechristensen]

>I can't believe that after 4 fucking years, a hostile nation is still permitted to wage war against a sovereign country.

Then you're not paying attention. They have nukes, europe needs their gas, and the other major powers don't care about what they're doing to Ukraine.

America doesn't have hegemony any longer and its leaders and people have been subjugated by foreign powers intelligence actions.

[ben_w]

> europe needs their gas

Needed, past tense. The hold-outs today want it, they do not need it.

There's still concern about the nukes though.

[kwanbix]

How do you disarm a bully with the nuclear capacity to blow half of the world if not more?

[toast0]

At the fall of the USSR, Coca-Cola should have bartered soda with Russia for the nukes. After all, the Cola Wars were heating up even as the Cold War looked to be ending, and Pepsi had a superior navy, bartered from the USSR with soda, and Coke could have used a nuclear deterent.

[colechristensen]

Have the CIA turn enough insiders that one of them succeeds in assassinating Putin after a propaganda campaign raising up an opposition party ready to take over in an election/coup (mixture of both really). Have a weak and friendly leader installed that exchanges nukes for population support and possibly brakes up Russia into several smaller states.

When the USSR broke up, Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for security guarantees (lot of good that has done them)

[Veen]

How do envision we might disarm an adversary with thousands of nuclear missiles, other than by preemptively nuking them and hoping they don't respond in time. Not really a plausible plan.

[option]

Russia can be collapsed just like USSR did.

This time around we must demand that it fully gives up WMDs before any help or humanitarian aid reaches it.

[quickthrowman]

They haven’t been disarmed because they have nuclear weapons.