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firasd | 1 month ago
1. Morphy vs. Duke of Brunswick (The Opera Game)
https://lichess.org/study/xAo78qLb/truC6WoM
16. Qb8+.
This is viewed as Morphy doing a stylish Queen sacrifice
But if you look at the MultiPV:
Qb8+* leads to forced mate.
Qc3 or Qb7 drops the advantage significantly.
Qb5 actually allows equality
If he had played anything else, he would have been imprecise. It wasn't a gamble
2. D. Byrne vs. Fischer (Game of the Century)
https://lichess.org/study/UZlSqSLA/Ku9M59je
Fischer plays 17... Be6, leaving his Queen hanging.
Standard narrative: "Fischer offers his Queen for a mating attack!"
Engine reality: 17... Be6 is the correct move. Trying to save the Queen actually loses the advantage.
Byrne taking the Queen (18. Bxb6) was a massive blunder. The engine actually wants Byrne to ignore the Queen and trade off Fischer's Knight on c3. He ends up with a Queen stranded on a3, a total spectator
reassess_blind|1 month ago
firasd|1 month ago
But what's interesting to me is the counterfactual like outside of these 3 queen moves he would have lost the entire advantage. So it was like a tactical shot like capturing the golden snitch in Harry Potter
TZubiri|1 month ago
The queen's gambit opening (almost inarguably a gambit as it is part of a well accepted name of a second move), really isn't a gambit in the sense that you can always recover the pawn, however it is a gambit in the sense that you temporarily give it up.
If we were particularly short sighted, no doubt, responding to an early white bishop threat on g5 or b5 with a knight on f6 or c6 would look like a gambit, as we are sacrificing the knight, but lo and behold, we regain the minor piece afterwards with xf6 or xc6!
The distinction would be whether the gambit or sacrifice is solid or refutable. But it is in both cases a sacrifice.
Trufa|1 month ago
But yes, a true gambit could be considered something that's objectively bad, but humanly makes sense.