[mid-kid]

The problem is mostly that programs started depending on aspects of systemd that are both very complex, and difficult/impossible to implement without ending up with systemd. Systemd's components don't play well with established standards (sometimes not running standalone at all), which contributes to the feeling of having to buy into the whole ecosystem just to use a small part of it, just for that one bit of a certain program that now depends on it.

This has happened with gnome's display manager, and now gnome-shell is threatening to cease functioning without systemd, as well as on systems that systemd doesn't run on such as the BSDs. KDE's new login manager is now doing the same, so in many respects, people's fears have been validated.

[Izkata]

> Systemd's components don't play well with established standards

Here's my favorite (quickly searched for, this links to other threads): https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4ldewx/systemd...

As far as I know systemd never changed the default, people only stopped complaining because distros now override it.

[ndsipa_pomu]

Is that "logout" referring to a user explicitly logging out from a desktop environment? I can't imagine it would apply to a closed SSH session, or at least it wouldn't make sense if it did.