[nout]

Why would you want to give the government such power? That always amazes me... when there is an issue, people jump on "let's vote for government to regulate this", but then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

[johnnyanmac]

>Why would you want to give the government such power?

Because the government is the only body equipped to create and enforce consumer rights laws. Do you think we'd have refund policies if the government didn't regulate them?

>then they are surprised when a new government gets to power and uses this new regulation/capability against you.

Okay. How is the act of forbidding platforms from banning alternative payment processors going to backfire?

[pessimizer]

I want them to use antitrust regulation against everyone, including me. That's what having values is like.

Markets without competition degenerate. Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation. You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair.

[bigstrat2003]

> Markets are also artificial and always rely on government enforcement to exist - Apple sues people who try to get around its market manipulation.

Historically, markets are destroyed by government interference, not propped up by it. Your own example is a case in point: were it not for the government making laws in favor of entrenched companies, Apple couldn't sue the people trying to get around its market manipulation.

> You just prefer that governments help enforce trusts and destroy competition that those trusts denote as unfair.

This is a grossly unfair mischaracterization of the post you are replying to. Bad show, old chap.

[cephi]

I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

[nout]

My (user) solution would be to use Patreon on the web, or on Android. No one is forcing you to use specifically the native Apple app.

On top of that Patreon is a closed centralized platform that's bound to have issues like this and that's where I very much prefer using protocols (vs platforms) that enable the same. There are very similar solutions to Patreon, but based on nostr and related protocols.

What is your solution to the government that you may not like using previously established "regulations" against people? My point is that you ask for regulation hoping that it will prevent this type of issue, but the regulation that you actually get will be barely having any effect and it will enforce ID + picture verification, it will enforce downloading specific government sanctioned keylogger app, it will enforce specific US state association, etc. New systems, new complexity, harder for newcomers to start business... Things like this are always added in the fine print. It will just lead to excluding so many people from using the service and making the overall space so much worse. That's why I'm encouraging people to think twice before immediately asking the government to expand its overreach via new regulations.

[weberer]

Use Android

[mattnewton]

there is little other remedy to monopoly power?

[leptons]

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/media/1344546/dl?inline

Apple is already getting sued by the DOJ for their abusive business practices. They should be regulated.