[tomaytotomato]

Over the last year I have seen some really nice exploration posts on HN with people poking around on:

- Splinter Cell

- Deus Ex

- Thief

- Civ

This is great work and will help tell the story of how these games were made.

It would be great if all games after a certain period of time were opensourced like some companies are doing:

https://github.com/electronicarts

https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games?tab=readme-ov-fi...

[anonymous908213]

> It would be great if all games after a certain period of time were opensourced

I would settle for simple copyright expiration in a reasonable amount of time. 70 years after death of author is so wholly unreasonable. Even though so many IPs are now part of the collective cultural consciousness, people can't explore their creativity using them without threat of getting Nintendo'd (even for non-commercial projects!), and entire generations that grew up experiencing them will be dead and gone by the time they enter public domain. It is a travesty that we impose such heavy shackles on human creativity.

[direwolf20]

You can do whatever if you don't get caught doing it

[account42]

Software copyright without mandatory source code escrow was always an insanely bad deal for society.

[nucleardog]

When I look back, seems to me the default was sort of "anything can copy and modify anything" because without additional measures or rules... what's stopping them? We added copyright as a time-limited exclusivity available to the creator to encourage people to create things (knowing they would have time to recoup some of their effort commercially).

With anything else (books or stories, pictures or movies, etc) the ability to modify or extend the work was the default. Copyright was a carve-out in this.

With software it's actually the reverse--the ability to modify or extend the work is _not_ the default. It takes explicit action by the creator to make that reasonable without substantial effort in most cases. We're actually dealing with an entirely different situation here, and providing that exclusivity on top really does seem like a bad deal for society in a lot of ways.

Is there anything else that's covered by copyright that's in a similar sort of situation as software? Where the thing that's covered by copyright _isn't_ really modifiable to begin with?

Which is a lot of words to say--on the surface, yeah, I agree with you. Besides shorter terms, I think if you want that exclusivity from society you should be required to give something back in return... like the source code so everyone can benefit from and build off of your work after your period of exclusivity expires.

[kg]

It's even a bad deal for the rightsholder. There are lots of stories in video games of how a studio or publisher lost the original source code or assets for a game, then 5, 10 or 20 years later they want to remaster it and they can't do so without jumping through really elaborate hoops involving binary recompilation, emulation, repainting assets from scratch, etc.

If the code and assets were escrowed, the rightsholder could just go claim that stuff whenever they need it.

[phendrenad2]

Oh how would that work? Who keeps the software in escrow? And what happens when Trump and Elon defund that department?

[Sarkie]

What splinter cell thing did you see?

[jamesfinlayson]

There was an article on here recently I think about someone trying to reverse engineer the Xbox version but it was really tricky because everything seemed to be serialised Unreal objects or something like that.