[pjaoko]

Has it been proven that it "likely isn't real"?

[kortex]

How about: maybe some things lie outside of the purview of empiricism and materialism, the belief in which does not radically impact one's behavior so long as they have a decent moral compass otherwise, can be taken on faith, and "proving" it does exist or doesn't exist is a pointless argument, since it exists outside of that ontological system.

[pjaoko]

> maybe some things lie outside of the purview of empiricism and materialism

Maybe? So your whole premise is based on a maybe! It was a simple question, don't know where or how morality and behavior comes into play..

[tonyedgecombe]

It's much harder to prove the non-existence of something than the existence.

[ChrisGreenHeur]

Just show the concept either is not where it is claimed to be or that it is incoherent.

[pjaoko]

The question wasn't about which is harder, it was asking for proof.

[castis]

The burden of proof lies on those who say it exists, not the other way around.

[ChrisGreenHeur]

The burden of proof lies on whoever wants to convince someone else of something. in this case the guy that wants to convince people it likely is not real.

[pjaoko]

Do you exist?

[jstanley]

Before we start discussing whether it's "real" can we all agree on what it "is"? I doubt it.

[dalmo3]

We can't even agree on what "is" is...