[2III7]

Without LIDAR and/or additional sensors, Tesla will never be able to provide "real" FSD, no matter how wonderful their software controlling the car is.

Also, self driving is a feature of a vehicle someone owns, I don't understand how that should exempt anyone from insuring their property.

Waymo and others are providing a taxi service where the driver is not a human. You don't pay insurance when you ride Uber or Bolt or any other regular taxi service.

[Marsymars]

> Also, self driving is a feature of a vehicle someone owns, I don't understand how that should exempt anyone from insuring their property.

Well practically speaking, there’s nothing stopping anyone from voluntarily assuming liability for arbitrary things. If Tesla assumes the liability for my car, then even if I still require my “own” insurance for legal purposes, the marginal cost of covering the remaining risk is going to be close to zero.

[arijun]

Never say never—it’s not physically impossible. But yes, as it stands, it seems that Tesla will not be self driving any time soon (if ever).

[kjksf]

They literally just (in the last few days) started unsupervised robotaxis in Austin.

They are as self-driving as a car can be.

This is different than the one where they had a human supervisor in passenger seat (which they still do elsewhere).

And different than the one where they didn't have human supervisor but did have a follow car.

Now they have a few robotaxis that are self driving.