[mcherm]

Nice solution! Google, can we get that on Android by default to reach the masses? Apple... you too: you built a reputation for protecting privacy.

[drnick1]

If you want privacy, Google and Apple are not the answer. And Apple's claims about privacy are mostly unverifiable and should not be trusted.

[ranger_danger]

I don't think any rational discussion about privacy can be had without first describing exactly what your definition of "privacy" is in this specific context, AND you must define a threat model. Otherwise we can't know if the vendor is even relevant to what they care about.

[EA-3167]

Privacy from what? From a determined government and court system? Nothing is going to keep you private from that. From your peers and family? Apple and Google keep you private in that regard. As for the world of privacy in between those extremes: it depends.

[digiown]

It's not quite settled whether the FBI is able to demand you to decrypt data for now. If this becomes widespread enough, they might try to get SCOTUS to decide this, which may or may not end privacy once and for all.

[fragmede]

I thought it was. I thought passcodes can't be demanded but biometrics could.