[qwerpy]

Successful enough for me and many other people I know. End to end from my house to grocery store, kids schools, friends houses, etc. Multiple times per day for the past year.

It’s not perfect but I’d consider it a smashing success for something I rely on for safely transporting my family every day.

[ErroneousBosh]

I wouldn't feel safe in one. I've seen how they drive, and I've had a brief shot of a car with FSD.

They are not safe and they will never be safe.

[rogerrogerr]

> They are not safe

Debatable, but you won't be convinced.

> they will never be safe.

Define safe? Would be interested to see you provide a benchmark that is reasonable, and lock it in now so we can see if this statement is falsified in the future.

[mavhc]

If they're not safe then why does the data show they're safer than humans?

Why will they never be safe?

Also can you define safe?