[teunispeters]

eh, 30cm of broken ragged ice, a light layer of snow over top ... that's a Saskatoon Saskatchewan winter road.

so a LOT worse. heck the car does not handle it very well.

the wind makes it worse for clothing too, mind I have driven a jeep without a windshield or roof at -40C and that was more cold than I ever want to repeat. It was rather worse than working out in a field with survey gear at -55C and white out winds...