Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train

[ZiiS]

Given their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.

[sneak]

I already do this on my Starlink as well as my terrestrial residential cable modem. The GL.inet routers work great for this.

[ranger_danger]

Wireguard to where? Another ISP/VPN that can also sell/MITM your traffic just as well? Non-residential exit IPs are also very often blocked by many websites.

[expedition32]

I never understood the business case for Starlink. You're either on fiber or 5G.

[measurablefunc]

The objective of every technocracy is to ensconce the entire planet in a panopticon. SpaceX is not sending those internet satellites into space just for consumer internet applications. Those satellites are also going to maintain the control plane for the sensors & actuators in the future technocratic panopticon.

[KumaBear]

Next democratic president should force them to be labeled as a public utility and regulated as such. For “National Security” reasons of course.

[testing43523]

Yep -- https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_syst...

Musk has been working on that project since 2001 at least.

[krautburglar]

We need another young Kary, but using shrapnel instead of frogs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVy1b-RyVM

[Animats]

Is Grok listening to Starlink traffic?

[_blk]

No, only Skynet

[bstsb]

i wonder what consumer data they even have to train? they explicitly disclaim using customers’ internet data:

> As a Starlink customer, you may share information with third parties (for example, when you send an email or communicate with a third-party website). In this context, we are not sharing personal information; you are using our Services to share data, and we are merely connecting you to the Internet.

edit: reading this again, i may have misinterpreted this as “we don’t share this data” instead of “this isn’t considered us sharing data”. although in Section 1 they say they only collect diagnostic data in relation to customers’ connection speed/duration etc

[aquir]

Sounds like loads of new VPN subscribers to me! I would certainly do it myself.

[ChrisArchitect]

Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46647716

[IshKebab]

I'd be surprised if they were really going to sniff traffic and dump that into training runs. 99% of traffic is going to be encrypted these days. Probably not very useful.

[nirui]

You're talking about a company owned by one of the richest "tech bro" out there. He's not just an ISP, he's a visionary (for better or worse) with a lots of ideas.

TLS payload is encrypted, but meta data (such as SNI and other fingerprints) is not. These meta data could still be valuable for someone who know how to utilize it.

[DecoySalamander]

The most interesting data running through Starlink is Ukrainian and Russian military comms (including feeds from drones). I wonder if Musk actually plans to tap into that.

[archerx]

I’m going to assume that they are encrypted especially for military purposes so unless they can crack the encryption it’s useless.

[_blk]

"Good luck" [in Russian accent]