[thatwasunusual]

> Give me virtual machines, reliable block storage, file storage and object storage, networking, dns, managed kubernetes, [...]

But managers wants to _buy_ these services, not be directly responsible for them. That's where the problem lies, as I see it.

[ben_w]

If those managers currently sold on The Cloud, can instead be sold on how much money they'd save not being on The Cloud, then corporate can do what it does best and change policy hard enough to give the staff whiplash.

I don't know what managers have been reading/hearing, but for the last decade or so as a developer what I've mostly been hearing is that the only people who actually benefit from Big Data architectures are FAANG, that it's much cheaper to run on a single small self-hosted system that's done right, that the complexity of managing the cloud is even higher than a local solution.

This matches my own experience of what people needed to serve millions of users 20 years ago. If you can't handle a chat system or a simple sales system with 100k-1M customers on a server made out of one single modern mobile phone, you're either just not trying hard enough or have too many layers of abstraction between business logic and bare metal. Even for something a bit more challenging than that, you should still be thinking thousands of users on a phone and 10k-100k on a single device that's actually meant to work as a server.

[Zigurd]

> If those managers currently sold on The Cloud, can instead be sold on how much money they'd save not being on The Cloud...

This is more than a theory, it's a trend that is already underway. The cloud remains supremely capital efficient for startups, but pricing has crept up and some customers are falling off the other side of the table.

[MagicMoonlight]

You might save 100k in server fees, but now you have to hire three full time people to manage your own servers. And you won’t get the redundancy or the security of having the experts do it across three data centres for you.

[lelanthran]

> But managers wants to _buy_ these services, not be directly responsible for them. That's where the problem lies, as I see it.

Why won't they be able to buy them from EU providers?

[ExoticPearTree]

They don't want to necessarily buy it, but they want to hedge their options from "my $guy can do everything" to "on which cloud platform can I find a competent operator tomorrow".

[Sayrus]

Marketplace offers can go a long way to fill these void in official managed services.