[HeavyStorm]

This ship has sailed.

It's how it was with the internet. I grew up in the 90s, and teacher didn't know how to deal with the fact we no longer had to go through multiple books in the library to get the information they needed. We barely needed to write it.

Now nobody expects students to not use the internet. Same here: teachers must accept that AI can and will write papers and answer questions / do homework. How you test student must be reinvented.

[xeromal]

I know a lot of teachers are reverting back to handwritten papers. People can generate it but at least you're doing something.

[idiotsecant]

This is just about the worst possible response it seems. It manages to probably hurt some wrists not used to long handwriting sessions, completely avoid learning how to use and attribute AI responsibly, and still probably just results in kids handwriting AI generated slop, anyway.

[randall]

this is like irl cryptographic signatures for content lol

[TomasBM]

There is an obvious reason why LLM use should be discouraged in classwork focused on writing: the process that's needed for a brain to learn the skills can't be outsourced.

The Internet is different. Even with access to websites like Wikipedia, you had to write your own content. Plagiarism was easily detectable.

We shouldn't confuse "we don't have a solution at the moment" with "we should completely abandon no-LLM education". Like with social media, we can always change the direction of progress.

[smoyer]

When I was in high school, we were not allowed to use calculator for most science classes ... And certainly not for math class. I'm ten years, will you want to hire a student who is coming out of college without considerable experience and practice with AI?

[AlotOfReading]

LLMs work best when the user has considerable domain knowledge of their own that they can use to guide the LLM. I don't think it's impossible to develop that experience if you've only used LLMs, but it requires a very unusual level of personal discipline. I wouldn't bet on a random new grad having that. Whereas it's pretty easy to teach people to use LLMs.

[nkrisc]

If all they know is AI, and they supplanted all their learning with AI, why even hire them? Just use the AI.

[paulryanrogers]

Kids need to learn the fundamentals first and best. They can learn the tools near the end of school or even on the job.

I loved computer art and did as many technical art classes at university as I could. At the beginning of the program I was the fastest in the class, because we were given reference art to work from to learn the tools. By the end of the class I couldn't finish assignments because I wasn't creative enough to work from scratch. Ultimately I realized art wasn't my calling, despite some initial success.

Other kids blew me away with the speed of their creations. And how they could detach emotionally from any one piece, to move on to the next.

[croes]

Why would I want to hire such a student? What makes him better the better pick than all the other students using AI or all the other non-students using AI?

[hazbot]

Yes, it is much easier to train someone to use AI than to train them to have sufficiently baked-in math and language skills to be able to leverage the AI.

[ThrowawayR2]

Should I, by some miracle, be hiring, I'd be hiring those who come out of college with a solid education. As many have pointed out, AI is not immune to the "garbage in, garbage out" principle and it's education that enables the user to ask informed and precisely worded questions to the AI to get usable output instead of slop.

[croes]

This is not how AI will be in the future.

At some point the will have to make profit, that will shape AI.

Either by higher prices or ads. Both will change the use of AI

[AndrewKemendo]

I remember when websites couldn’t be considered valid sources for graded assignments

[MattGaiser]

I was dealing with this even in 2014 when I was in high school. Even then, entire classes of government data weren’t published in some print volume.