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philsnow | 1 month ago

The HSMs that Signal and Apple are using are on-device though. Yes you still have to trust Signal / Apple to not exfil your key matter once decrypted by the HSM, but I submit that that is materially better than having the HSMs be hosted in a datacenter.

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modeless|1 month ago

Signal and Apple and Google all use HSMs in datacenters as well as on device.