[dfabulich]

If you're not developing an iOS/macOS app, you can skip Xcode completely and just use the `swift` CLI, which is perfectly cromulent. (It works great on Linux and Windows.)

[alwillis]

There'a great indie app called Notepad.exe [1] for developing iOS and macOS apps using macOS. You can also write and test Swift apps for Linux easily [2]. It also supports Python and JavaScript.

If you hate Xcode, this is definitely worth a look.

[1]: https://notepadexe.com

[2]: https://notepadexe.com/news/#notepad-14-linux-support

[afavour]

So wait this thing is real? Calling it notepad.exe gave me the impression that it's just an elaborate joke about how you can code any program in Notepad...

[tempodox]

It claims “native performance”, which makes me suspect it’s another Electron bloat.

[behnamoh]

Even if you're developing for macOS you can skip xcode. I've had a great time developing a menubar app for macOS and not once did I need to open xcode.

[alex-russo]

curious what you used - I've been looking into making a menubar app and really hate xcode

[mort96]

I would avoid it for Linux and Windows. Even if they are "technically supported", Apple's focus is clearly macOS and iOS. Being a second- (or even third-) class citizen often introduces lots of issues in practice ("oh, nobody teenaged that functionality on Windows"...)